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枫下茶话 / 政治经济 / 大选的疑问:
加拿大的国防开支占GDP比例? 加拿大学习瑞士宣布中立行吗? 美国是财产私有化程度最高,他们监狱人口比例也高。 他们进过监狱的人口比例在 10% 以上。瑞士是财产武器都私有化了。
靠政府财政赤字,来减税,把负担留给后代,好吗?
什么是犯罪? 为啥犯罪?
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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每年194亿的国防开支必要吗? According to the RPP, Canada’s military spending will continue to rise, reaching $19.418 billion by 2009–10.
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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I think even Switzerland has compulsory military service for all male Swiss. Neutruality does not necessarily mean 'no arm forces'. Canada is already lucky. The Big Brother US would have to protect Canada to certain extend.
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-14
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Swiss to Vote On Disarming Their Fortress
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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Without any brother, Swiss has not been at war internationally since 1815. (#5525793@0)
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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Agree. But, they still have armed force and still have compulsory military service for all male. At least Canada does not ahve compulsory military service, right? :)
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-14
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You are right but Swiss has military for defense and peace keeping only. Canada is not.
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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If my memory is correct. the 1989 referendum to abolish the armed forces was defeated. Another similar referendum was held later in 2001 (??) and was defeat by close to 80% of the voters.
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-14
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yes because of 911 in US.
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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Which implies that Swiss believe, even with its claimed neutrality status, military force is necessary to protect itself from potential harms from outside.
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-14
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Yes. But if every country claimed neutrality status, military force will be useless. (#5547722@0)
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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This would require not only all contries, but also all organizations (e.g. Taliban), to act PURELY in good conscious and good faith. This as I argued below would never work in human society.
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-15
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甘地笑了。“您不懂得历史。”他温和地纠正到:“关于历史,您首先要明白,过去没有发生过的事并不意味着将来也不会发生。”
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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Anyway, I really admire your spirit and 'drive'. I guess our main difference is that I really don't believe human being can build a perfect society with everybody's good conscious, but you believe eventually we can, ie., I am more pessimitic.
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-15
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Information technologies have change the society. Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. changed the society by zeitgeist movements, so it is the time to change the system. ."I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality".
-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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And, although I believe what your proposed would never work (even what 甘地 proposed would eventually fail), I still want to wish you and your movement good luck. If future history proves me wrong, we will all benefit anyway... :)
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-15
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GST 有没有法律依据?
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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如果世界各国都学瑞士,现在加拿大应该归德国纳粹管
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-14
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如果世界各国都学瑞士,世界上应该没有国防开支了吧。加拿大每年节省的194亿元,大家可以好好享受生活。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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瑞士国防军现在每年的军费开支是54亿美元,而瑞士政府的年总预算才280亿美元,成为全世界最昂贵的军事开支国之一。
-tulipwa68(tulip);
2009-9-14
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国防开支都用在制造瑞士军刀上了,和玩乐上了。 乐翻人的瑞士军训。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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冷战期间,瑞士的军费开支居世界领先地位,排在美国、英国和法国之后,名列第四。1997年,瑞士的国防开支为53.95亿瑞士法郎,占财政支出的12.7%。
-tulipwa68(tulip);
2009-9-14
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瑞士的国防开支,大多用在了聚会玩乐上了。瑞士的青壮年每年聚会一个月军训。 俺一个瑞士朋友告诉俺,在公司是老板,军训时是雇员手下的士兵,战友,真的是人人平等,如同好友聚会。“军民团结如一人”。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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按照人口比例,瑞士军队的人数相当可观。在700万人口中,一直保持着总人数达60万的后备役军队。随着冷战结束,欧洲一体化进程的加剧,并考虑到财政和人口等因素,瑞士实行精兵简政政策,从1995年初开始,将后备役军队人数缩减到40万。
-tulipwa68(tulip);
2009-9-14
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如果世界各国都宣布中立,要军队有啥用?
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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是地,全世界的国防开支用于镇压反叛分子了,加拿大人要高举右手,哈希特勒。中国也会高呼,天皇万岁。
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-14
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宣布中立,比跟着美国,用飞机大炮向阿富汗推销“民主自由”强些吧?
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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没有美国的飞机大炮,你现在见到日本人德国人要鞠躬,属于N等贱民的说。
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-14
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甘地手无寸铁,赶走了全副武装的大英帝国。(#5548079@0) 正如伦敦的《新闻记事报》所说:“一位78岁的瘦弱老人竟以神奇力量震撼了整个世界,赋予世界新的希望;他所显示的力量,可以胜过原子弹的威力。”
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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为什么没有一个人手无寸铁的赶走日本人,德国人,俄国人?
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-15
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曼德拉精神力量怎么样,是他一个人赶走白人殖民者的吗?没有全世界的制裁和谴责,殖民者会乖乖的投降吗?全世界都保持中立如何?不宣扬民主人权会如何?
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-15
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甘地和曼德拉都是用人民大众的《时代精神》 取胜, 而不是飞机大炮,对吗?
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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那是扯淡.神话神化故事看多了。
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-15
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和神话故事里的顺风耳 -手机,千里眼-GPS 一样,不稀奇了。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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本拉登没有飞机大炮。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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可以劫持。
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-15
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毛泽东用小米加步枪打败了美国援助国民党的飞机大炮。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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那是扯淡。
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-15
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正面战场的交战,包括攻城拔寨,把国民党赶到台湾,离不开飞机大炮,苏联人的支持。您这么大岁数了,怎么比当年的共产党人还天真呢。
-weichen2005(重在参和);
2009-9-15
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飞机大炮起不到决定性作用,人心是水,制度是舟。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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What I believe is that human being as a whole is fundamentally flawed. Therefore, any policy which PURELY relies on people good conscious will eventually fail.
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-14
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Agree.We believe that human being as a whole is fundamentally flawed. the zeitgeist movement is transferring the flawed system.
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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Human being has been trying to find the "perfect" world or system for centuries via various method. So far none has been successful. I admire your 'drives', and good luck.I agree that we shouldn't give up in trying to find/build a better system. But, we shouldn't be so naive to believe we would ever be able to build a perfect system.
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-14
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The fundamental of the society has been changed by information system so is the society. "We must become the change we want to see in the world".
-Mohandas Gandhi.
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-14
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If you agree that human being is fundamentally flawed, how would we know that the "change" we want to make is not flawed or short sighted? If we know how to cure our 'flaw', then we are not fundamentaly flaw as you agreed, do we? :)
-barbarian(粗人);
2009-9-15
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用科学、自然和技术来代替宗教、政治和金钱。 monetary based economy 资本调节的经济制度演变到Resource Based Economy 资源调节的经济制度。 (#5490601@0) (#5452703@0)
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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I use Chinese to respond you, because, we like other people understand what we are talking about.
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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“二战”期间,希特勒军队攻陷法国后,在瑞土东部边境部署了50个师团,制定了“冷杉行动”准备吞并瑞士。
-tulipwa68(tulip);
2009-9-14
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瑞士用红十字精神,吓退了纳粹的侵略野心。 The International Red Cross, based in Geneva, played an important part during this and other conflicts.
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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瑞士可是全民皆兵呀,国防开支远超加拿大。
-zx0228(顽主);
2009-9-15
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瑞士50亿美元左右,加拿大194亿加元左右。 (#5547954@0)
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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瑞士 GDP: $303.2 billion ; 加拿大 GDP : $1.564 trillion !
-zx0228(顽主);
2009-9-15
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瑞士国防开没超加拿大。 加拿大国防放到阿富汗了。 瑞士国防开支用在玩乐上。 (#5547954@0)
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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挺严肃的话题,本想参与讨论。但觉得楼主帖子的内容眼熟,才注意到作者原来是 go4nature,一个说话只求快乐不究内里的人。立刻失去了讨论的欲望。
-rollor(Rollor);
2009-9-15
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快乐是人生的最高追求。 人生在世,吃喝玩乐。 :)
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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大致同意你这个说法。但这不是政治话题。
-rollor(Rollor);
2009-9-15
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政客们是玩政治,毛泽东的斗争哲学,”与天斗其乐无穷,与地斗其乐无穷,与人斗其乐无穷“。 本拉登与美国斗其乐无穷, 甘地追求和平其乐无穷。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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你认同毛泽东的“与人斗,其乐无穷”吗?希望你能直接回答,别绕圈子。
-rollor(Rollor);
2009-9-15
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斗的时候可能得到了快乐,但他克妻克子,晚年很孤独凄凉。
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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也就是说,你认同这种靠人和人之间互相争斗来获取快乐的方式喽?
-rollor(Rollor);
2009-9-15
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别斗了。(#194102@1)
-go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神);
2009-9-15
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