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枫下茶话 / 政治经济 / 嘿嘿,怎么没有朋友提到朝鲜核武器试验的新闻呢,都不害怕?CBC昨晚分析了朝鲜和中国的关系,和中国在这个上面的立场,说中国很难做,不能得罪朝鲜,韩国和美国。我不知道到底中国对朝鲜都多大的说服或者控制力
-tiara(松鼠回来啦);
2009-5-27
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North Korea is now officially a nuclear power and Iran will follow shortly. It is only a matter of time before the nuclear weapons are passed to the hands of terrorists who will do serious harm to the world.There's nothing the US, UN, China, Europe or anybody can do to stop this other than an all out war on NK and Iran which nobody has the gut to do. North Korea says this morning they will bombard Seoul if the South K. dare to inspect any ships to or from the North, the South Koreans and American are already shaking in their boots by this threat.
-omega4(omega);
2009-5-27
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伊朗如果能够核弹试验成功,真的要变天了。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-5-27
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没有说服力。朝鲜还在走老毛的路线,估计中国在他们眼中是中修,不过是还要依靠中国,作为棋子,争取一点自己的利益罢了。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-5-27
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朝鲜还拿中国当棋子呢。
-vega_lee(天津包子-就不改);
2009-5-27
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这样才公平,谁都想做下棋的。不过力有不歹而已。不是给我个支点,我将翻转地球吗?政治就是这么玩的。明刀明枪的上是最最不智的。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-5-27
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如果朝鲜领导人能明白有力所不逮,也不是现在这个样了,所以也不是什么中国能靠得住的棋子
-vega_lee(天津包子-就不改);
2009-5-27
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You don't understand Kim, he wants money AND nuclear power, he is not going exchange one for the other. The funny thing is the rest of world is being played by him like a fool. Neither American nor Chinese can outsmart him.
-omega4(omega);
2009-5-27
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We had this discussion before, do you still think Obama's appeasement policy is making the world safer?
-omega4(omega);
2009-5-27
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你的这个问题和中国目前的社会选择很类似,继续控制,亦或让不同的力量壮大。不过控制是需要能量的。当能量不够,想控制也难。你觉得如果布什还在任上,美国人还能继续以前的模式吗?
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-5-27
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Well. If American want to occupy North Korea like Iraq, it's impossible. But if they just want to bombard it to ground zero, it's piece of cake.Even if they don't want to do anything themselves, they can at least allow Tokyo and Seoul to have their own nukes as a deterrance
-omega4(omega);
2009-5-27
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那为什么他们没有这么做呢?
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-5-27
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Because Obama does not realize how dangerous the world is, and how determined and eager their enemies want to take down America and its allies.He believes the world's problems are mostly caused by Bush so he would have no enemies as long as he apologizes for Bush's sins which he did. America's opponents see him as a weak and ineffectual leader and are taking full advantage of it. In the job of President of USA, there's no time for on-the-job training. Once he realizes his mistakes, it will be far too late.
-omega4(omega);
2009-5-27
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我问的是为什么两代布什不做。朝核问题不是这两年才开始的。朝鲜的原子弹扔在小布什任内。什么都是奥巴马的错,这个逻辑和全是伊朗的错听上去看蛮一致的。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-5-27
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At least Bush didn't apologize for America's sins, didn't shake hands with enemies of his nation, didn't bow to Arab kings and didn't sit for hours to listen to anti-America speeches without saying a wordEven a lion can be killed by dogs if it exposes its weak spots.
-omega4(omega);
2009-5-27
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你这个回帖有失你平时的水准,呵呵,太纠缠于谁对谁错,缺乏就事论事的分析。你平常多是分析讨论贴,和上面steven的帖子类似,何必往吵架贴上引呢。里面是回steven的问题
-soaringpig(好奇的猪);
2009-5-27
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我想布什的伊拉克战争的正义性还没有找到。在没有任何理由的前提下发动了一场国与国之间的战争,应该属于战争罪。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-5-27
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这是个真实的世界,布什的做法对,亦或奥巴马做法对,时间会给出最后的答案。如你所述,病了的狮子也会被野狗杀死,这是事实。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-5-27
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they can at least allow Tokyo and Seoul to have their own nukes?You think it will get OK from China and Russia? No way. Bomb NK to ground zero? come on...
-ubs(ubs);
2009-5-27
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JD啊,头两天偶贴过类似帖子,得到3声猫叫:(
-duoshaosuanshao(不多也);
2009-5-27
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北韩就象当年的中国一样, 饿死无数人都要搞原子弹, 还天不怕地不怕, 因为任何制裁措施收效甚微, 老百姓个个忠君爱国, 不怕死
-gotocan(Keep Going);
2009-5-27
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过去耍赖是为了要救济要承认,这次耍赖玩愣子,谁的劝也不听。这个封闭国家内部发生什么谁也不知道,也许小金胖子宝座不稳,急于转移内部矛盾,或者被强硬派(像当年4人帮)挟持。—— 可得留点神,朝鲜崩溃,韩国handle不了,中国准备接受百万难民吧。52年搬起的石头,今天快砸到脚了。
-duoshaosuanshao(不多也);
2009-5-27
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都是老毛造的孽, 祸害中国几代人
-gotocan(Keep Going);
2009-5-27
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我要是朝鲜我也会这么做:千方百计地提高leverage,出了事叫中国兜着。中国有个巨大的把柄在朝鲜手里,想当年中国和朝鲜的死敌南韩建交,中国居然事先没有通知朝鲜,随后朝鲜对中国的态度发生了急剧的变化。。。
-nodream(~~~);
2009-5-27
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这叫什么把柄?朝鲜能对中国怎样?它的食品、油、电都是中国供应,中国把闸拉了它过不了一星期,这才是大把柄。中国其实是有所作为的,但是不该这么做,因为切断基本供应,遭殃的是普通朝鲜人,金胖子该多胖还多胖。
-duoshaosuanshao(不多也);
2009-5-27
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这只是你看到的,你没有看到的是朝鲜极其重要的战略地位,朝鲜是中国面对美日韩封锁的巨大的前沿缓冲地,因此不管朝鲜做了什么,中国都难以说不。。。
-nodream(~~~);
2009-5-27
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这还是冷战思维,韩国并非反华阵营的铁杆,它自己也明白这一点,在4个大哥之间周旋求生。还有冷战早结束了,4个大哥也不是针尖对麦芒的对立,它们之间不太可能发生直接军事冲突,所以地缘战略不那么有效了。
-duoshaosuanshao(不多也);
2009-5-27
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不管科技发展到什么阶段,地缘战略永远都是重要的,朝鲜是中国的天然屏障。。。
-nodream(~~~);
2009-5-27
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天然屏障?真发生战争, 北韩那弹丸之地, 不会发挥反冲和屏障的作用
-gotocan(Keep Going);
2009-5-27
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弹丸之地,往往是兵家必争之地。。。
-nodream(~~~);
2009-5-27
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北韩对于中国, 其实是一个非常烫手的山芋
-gotocan(Keep Going);
2009-5-27
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但是也扔不的
-nodream(~~~);
2009-5-27
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"不管科技发展到什么阶段"外星人坐着飞碟来还怕你隔着个朝鲜?朝鲜飞弹都能达到阿拉斯加了,美日倒不会?现在跟北极熊就挨着,也没觉得东北同胞们整天提心吊胆,也没有百万雄兵在三北边界。
-vega_lee(天津包子-就不改);
2009-5-27
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什么馅的包子,乱七八糟的
-nodream(~~~);
2009-5-27
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LOL
-llw(鹤舞);
2009-5-27
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现代战争早已不是靠步兵冲锋陷阵的方式打击对手了,两次打伊拉克都是使用常规武器远程攻击的典范。
-ttc(O-O);
2009-5-27
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现代战争,攻占并不难,难的是统治与和谐,美军拿下伊拉克却长期制不服,和缺少了一个前沿桥头堡很有关系。。。
-nodream(~~~);
2009-5-27
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The only way to force China to do something aggressive againt North Korea is allowing Tokyo and Seoul to develop their own nuclear weapons. But even China may not have much leverage on NK these days.
-omega4(omega);
2009-5-27
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中国出于自身利益,才保朝鲜,朝鲜也看透了这一点。。。
-nodream(~~~);
2009-5-27
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中国不保护朝鲜,那才是大脑残疾了
-happpyfuture(ED);
2009-5-27
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这个事儿就叫光脚的不怕穿鞋的
-mickeyh(mickey);
2009-5-27
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天呀,这个已经热点啦?吓死啦,嘿嘿
-tiara(松鼠回来啦);
2009-5-27
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我觉得,我认为,朝鲜和伊朗拥有核武器是一个主权国家的相干就干的事情,就象每一个男人都要娶媳妇,这是一个道理,这是上帝给的,别人无权干涉。100%支持朝鲜发展核武器,100%支持伊朗发展核武器。老金和老内就是我们当年敬爱的毛主席。
-happpyfuture(ED);
2009-5-27
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