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枫下茶话 / 政治经济 / 欢迎哈怕下台作为一个大陆移民,对中国是不是友好,是我选择PM的一半理由。哈怕下台,中加高层互访,经贸往来更多,华人旅游开放,老赖回国受审,都是我想看到的。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-2
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欢迎
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-2
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Don't get excited too early. For China, Dion could be worse. You never know
-omega4(omega);
2008-12-2
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无论谁上台,都不会干涉老赖回国与否的判决;都可能会会见达赖;都很可能会谴责中国人权问题;都会跟美国、英国、法国等中国的对头结盟。
-rollor(Rollor);
2008-12-2
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欢迎
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-2
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恐怕大陆移民很难做到与党中央同心同德,党的好儿女来这里安家落户,带的钱不少,都是贵族,应该喜欢代表富豪的保守党。我担心这些大陆人指向太平洋,我党却偏向大西洋。
-neversaid(重来不说);
2008-12-2
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代表富豪的保守党 - 失去国家补贴的反对党根本无法与富豪支持的保守党抗衡,民主就失去了根基,变成金钱大选,HARPER这着确实很阴,下台完全是自找的。
-88yobwe(roliaispig);
2008-12-2
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Absolutely.
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-2
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这纯粹是想象.看看南边,O8的捐款绝大多数来自于捐款小于$200的人。传统受富人青睐的共和党弄不到钱,只能靠国家出钱竞选。
-steve888(Steve曾经曰过);
2008-12-2
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是BUSH搞的太臭,民主党选个白痴出来都能当总统。
-88yobwe(roliaispig);
2008-12-2
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克雷蒂安就是个好同志。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-2
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都不会干涉老赖回国与否的判决;都可能会会见达赖;都很可能会谴责中国人权问题;都会跟美国、英国、法国等中国的对头结盟
-guanshui88(约定);
2008-12-2
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腐败分子和我党打交道时比较得心应手,很有共同语言。
-szs11(钉子户);
2008-12-2
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Canadians gave this 腐败分子 three mandates and had him in power for 12yrs. And this 腐败分子 has ten times better international reputation than Harper.
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-2
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古人云,第一年清,第二年半清半贪,第三年才可以全贪。
-szs11(钉子户);
2008-12-2
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If one could hang on for so long there must be something he did then.
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-2
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哪个古人说的?你是不是想说:三年清知府,十万雪花银?
-kingsw(Steven);
2008-12-2
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Based on your logic Harper is sure 全贪
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-2
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哦,差一点忘了加拿大选举还需要中国这个坚强的后盾支持了。
-neversaid(重来不说);
2008-12-2
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欢迎。自由党上台,中加关系定有大的改善,经济也会受益,再擅HARPER几个耳光。
-88yobwe(roliaispig);
2008-12-2
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欢迎 欢迎 欢迎
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-2
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自由党一上台,第二个丑闻就马上来。你还选自由党?
-happpyfuture(ED);
2008-12-2
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HARPER是没发现丑闻,有的都是“阴着” (注意,是没' 发现 ')
-88yobwe(roliaispig);
2008-12-2
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阴险狡诈, 阴气十足
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-2
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厉害,这一招咱祖国的当家的永远都学不会,到处给人送钱人家还优待什么独。最后只好便宜了非洲那些背信弃义的小黑鬼------建议涛涛宝宝他们来取经。
-hillsouth(海珠珠);
2008-12-2
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这个没发现说明你还有自知之明,要不早发财了,也不用说话不经大脑了。
-neversaid(重来不说);
2008-12-2
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不知道的不能乱说,知道的请HARPER的支持者也不要装傻!
-88yobwe(roliaispig);
2008-12-3
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作为一个大陆移民,对中国人是不是友好,是我选择PM的一半理由。哈怕下台,自由党重利轻义,眼睛盯着钱,忘记华人的民主权利,使我中国人永远当世界的CHEAP LABOUR,这些都是我所心痛的。
-hillsouth(海珠珠);
2008-12-2
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“使我中国人永远当世界的CHEAP LABOUR”,加拿大可没这个本事,这事要去追究胡锦涛主席才有用,要不每天给上帝叩头好了。
-neversaid(重来不说);
2008-12-2
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那你觉得那个党上台最支持胡主席?
-3662930(静湖水);
2008-12-2
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加拿大共产党
-neversaid(重来不说);
2008-12-2
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你的这个“中国”是指中国人民还是中共政府?还是搞清楚了先。
-myoldgun(老枪);
2008-12-2
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世界上绝大多数国家的政府(是否代表其人民,我不知道。)认为:中共政府代表中国人民。我也是这么认为的。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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Only Chinese people can decide whether their government represents them through an election.
Diplomatic relationship is only established for communication between governments. It has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the government
-omega4(omega);
2008-12-3
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So you mean without an election, no government is legitimate.
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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That's true!
-myoldgun(老枪);
2008-12-3
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You have no clue about the constitution what so ever.
-axe(Just A Joke);
2008-12-3
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Your clue about the constitution is“中共政府代表中国人民”,that's it!
-myoldgun(老枪);
2008-12-3
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So when the Chinese government establishes diplomatic with a foreign government, it does not necessarily recognise that government 代表其人民. But that foreign government must recognise the Chinese government 代表其人民. What logic?
-omega4(omega);
2008-12-3
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You need to learn how to read Chinese.
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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'it does not necessarily recognise that government 代表其人民.' is a misunderstanding.
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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If recognition by foreign governments means that government does represent its people. Then why any countries need to have an election? All the governments in the world can stay in power forever as long as they recognize each other. What logic?
-omega4(omega);
2008-12-3
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This Chinese sentence is too hard for you to understand correctly.(是否代表其人民,我不知道。)actually is a question for 老枪。
It should be read like this:
世界上绝大多数国家的政府认为:中共政府代表中国人民。我也是这么认为的。世界上绝大多数国家的政府是否代表其人民呢?我不知道,请老枪回答。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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世界上绝大多数国家的政府认为:中共政府代表中国人民 -- What is your proof? If your proof is diplomatic relationship, read my previous replies.
-omega4(omega);
2008-12-3
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So you mean without an election, no government is legitimate. Is it what you are saying?
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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Yes, the only way for a government to prove it represents the majority of its citizens is holding elections. Of course, there're some governments, like CCP that believe they can be in power as long as they control all big guns.But such governments are becoming a small minority in the world
-omega4(omega);
2008-12-3
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满清民国政府也符合你这定义
-one_guy(WHAT);
2008-12-3
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历史就是这样子的。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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哦, 成王败寇, 直接说不就行了
-one_guy(WHAT);
2008-12-3
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简单的现实,面对起来这么难吗?
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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那何必要说什么代表人民这些话嘛, 根本没有必要嘛,
-one_guy(WHAT);
2008-12-3
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包装一下比较好赤裸裸的真理会让人不舒服:人不为己,天诛地灭。人为财死,鸟为食亡。夫妻本是同林鸟,大难来时各自飞。。。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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如果世界上绝大多数国家的政府认为中共政府代表中国人民,那为什么那么多国家的政府呼吁中共进行政治改革,开放党禁,报近,进行公正自由的选举?你自己认为中共政府代表你吗?你不希望在中国进行公正自由的选举吗?还是认为一党专政代表了你的最大利益?
-myoldgun(老枪);
2008-12-3
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我讲的代表,是陈述事实。没有道德评判在里面,也没有感情因素在里面。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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问题是那根本就不是事实,也不可能没有道德评判和感情因素在里面。当谈论一个政党、一个政府是否代表了一个国家的利益,是否代表了你的利益,怎么可能没有道德评判和感情因素在里面?
-myoldgun(老枪);
2008-12-3
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没说代表利益。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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不代表利益那也就不能代表这个国家了。
-myoldgun(老枪);
2008-12-3
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也没说不代表利益。你从利益出发,就是另一个问题了,一两句话说不清楚。
-bendan(pumpkin);
2008-12-3
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呵呵。
-myoldgun(老枪);
2008-12-3
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OMG 非民选政府能代表人民?
-salas88(陈浩南,卖身还贷);
2008-12-3
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一言中的
-anthonylo2008(anthonylo);
2008-12-3
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欢迎哈巴趴下。
-robins(robins);
2008-12-3
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