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枫下沙龙 / 枫下钓鱼 / 俺坚决反对钓鱼!!! 鱼也是爸爸, 妈妈, 孩子, 一家一家的, 虽然他们生的多, 可是每个都是一个生命呀!!! 大家干点什么不好, 为什么要钓鱼???? 让鱼们在水里自由自在的游来游去吧, 那是他们的家, 请手下留情, 别杀啦. 求求大伙了, 别杀鱼了!!!
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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do you eat pork? or beef? or chicken?
-win(秋天的菠菜);
2007-10-4
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被别人不知这么嘲笑了多少回。佩服melody66 竟然敢在这儿说这话,不顶不是人。
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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我知道你要说什么, 俺不是素食者, 但肉鱼的吃的也不多, 饿了也买个汉堡. 但钓鱼可不同, 生生把活鱼钩上来, 还要杀了他, 有时他还怀着孩子, 他也会痛, 会痛, 你想有人绰你一下什么感觉? 前几年看血淋淋的藏羚羊,俺流了很多泪, 多可怜哪, 人的心为什么那么狠哪.
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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早年住Kingston的时候有一次和朋友去钓鱼,就在Westport, 钓上一条小鱼,可能是蚯蚓不够了,那位朋友随便就把它撕扯成几条当鱼饵了。那位朋友丝毫没有意识到什么,但我真是从此就不钓鱼了。
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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我煮螃蟹时,也挺难过得,不过还是把它吃了。LG说我是假慈悲,因为鸡鸭鱼肉我也都没少吃,只不过,不是我杀的,没什么感觉。这就是自然选择吧。看动物世界里,动物捕食都是这样。处在食物链的位置不同吧。
-enjoylife26(enjoylife);
2007-10-4
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慈悲心也是一点一点培养的, 俺20多的时候也没想这么多关于生命的东西.
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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你这么想啊,一条大鱼一天吃好多小鱼,小鱼又吃好多微生物。你杀一条大鱼的命救了上亿的微生物的命,这多大的功德啊!
-baalinca(scarb);
2007-10-4
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我每次把活虾活蟹往锅里扔时都不忘记告诉它们不是我想吃它们而是我老公嘴馋,有什么事以后找他去。
-whatislove(什么是爱);
2007-10-4
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大家吃的鸡啊猪啊从生下来就住在很小的环境里,好不容易长大了就被血淋淋的杀了吃了,它也会疼.那么,你还吃它们的肉么?
-dalianmao(_);
2007-10-4
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俺在努力, 能少吃一点是一点, 事实是已经吃的很少了.
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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DO you buy any egg?
-ra95.98(_);
2007-10-4
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if u no one kill it , how it die, how import is the difference ?
-647i(流浪的步行万里);
2007-10-4
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为生存吃肉,合法合理;为娱乐杀生,嘿嘿,就不多说了,怕被砖头砸死。
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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emmm, you made a point here...
-win(秋天的菠菜);
2007-10-4
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被砸死?
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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en..., entertainment. is it a special thing? will it threat your surviving if you don't watch movie and use computer? when you do that, the energy and material used is come from environment, that is threaten to other creature on the earch
-647i(流浪的步行万里);
2007-10-4
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unnecessary kill for fun is not the same as watching a movie for fun.in another word to make it easier to understand, imagine human, in a certain world, are hunted for fun by a more superior living.you would rather those livings watching a movie, or kill human for entertainment?
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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is there "necessary kill for fun"? give an example. Actually, different people have different view of necessary/unnecessary and for "better live/surviving"
-647i(流浪的步行万里);
2007-10-4
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In my simple world, there is "necessary killing for survival" and "unnecessary killing for fun". Not everyone has the same feeling, because they can't feel the pain felt on the other party.
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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the resource you use may cause kill indirectly. Like one eat meat but but never kill/prepare the chiken.
-647i(流浪的步行万里);
2007-10-4
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i agree that point. I eat everything. But how can someone kill for fun? Does that make it evil?
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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if you born in dark side, you never know word "evil". Or, you have different intepretion of word evil. all depend on where your buttom sit.
-647i(流浪的步行万里);
2007-10-4
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exactly
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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so, LZ and you are not sit on the same bench with those fishers.
-647i(流浪的步行万里);
2007-10-4
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无聊, 跑这里踢场子来了
-majia007(万土碎佛法士);
2007-10-4
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倒也不是无聊, 上班不忙是真的. 俺早就想说了, 只是没有足够的勇气, 知道会得罪一大批人, 但是还是要说, 要呼吁, 要为这个地球, 为这些生命尽自己的菲薄之力!
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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难得,难得。相信这是沉默的大多数的共同想法。只是大家怕被嘲笑,不敢表达而已。
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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and then? what's the fun of living? btw, I play catch and release. does that make me sit on the wrong side of fence as well?
-majia007(万土碎佛法士);
2007-10-4
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then what's the fun? have a sense of control in the game of catch and release in the expense of causing unnecessary pain and fear?
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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come on, freshwater fishes that we can put our hands on have no feel of pain or fear. even tho I think I know where u come from, just save the preach. it won't change.
-majia007(万土碎佛法士);
2007-10-4
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it won't change over night. but what was regarded as "normal" 200 years ago is quite different than today's standard.little by little, things will change as our specie progress
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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hmm, it doesn't hurt to be positive.
-majia007(万土碎佛法士);
2007-10-4
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你是比较cool的. 想想你一抓鱼, 他很紧张,扑楞扑楞的, 你又把他放了, 他需要有颗强壮的心脏才行呢! 下次你坐在水边看他们游来游去的, 也很享受的.
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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haha, 没钓过鱼吧, ”一抓鱼, 我很紧张,扑楞扑楞的, 我又把他放了, 我需要有颗强壮的心脏才行呢!“钓鱼的人是钓自己
-majia007(万土碎佛法士);
2007-10-4
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后半句有点离谱了,虽然出发点是善良的
-tulipa(tulip);
2007-10-4
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离谱? 你说活着为什么?为了房子,车子,孩子?俺也和大家一样,又上班又学习,还想着升职,可除此之外呢?难道你不想为这个地球做点什么?
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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说得很好,那么先来看看您已经为这个星球作了些什么
-tulipa(tulip);
2007-10-4
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俺以前吃过狗肉, 冬天的时候一起去吃火锅,从没觉的怎样, 有一天看电视, 狗妈妈和狗儿子, 狗妈妈要死了,却不愿死在主人的家里,就朝门外的山上走去, 狗儿子站在门口看着妈妈走,妈妈朝山上走去, 走到一半停了,转回头朝回走,走着走着又停了, 母子看着彼此, 妈妈又调回头,
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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朝山上走, 再没回头. 俺当时就哭了, 发誓永不再吃狗肉. 后来俺还有很多改变就不一一说了. 俺会慢慢的多做一点,逐渐的,会为保护地球,生命尽我的菲薄之力, 如果有什么信息, 欢迎你告诉我一声.
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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u pro-life or pro-choice?
-majia007(万土碎佛法士);
2007-10-4
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所谓君子远庖厨嘛.
-antgrass(粗茶淡饭);
2007-10-4
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还包括打猎,非人道宰杀。 要杀就用最快的方式杀全家。
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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建议大家多看些相关的影视, 也许可以软化你坚硬的心. 打猎多可怕呀,多狠哪. 曾经看过打老虎的, 用棍子敲, 老虎头破血流的, 俺哭了不知多少回, 现在想起来眼睛都是湿的.
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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有些人生来属狼,以杀生为乐,不择手段达到目的,世界往往被他们控制。对他们多说无益。 善良的人们被讥笑为羊,有善心却左右不了大局。
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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生命循环不止, 吃的有一天变成被吃的. 生命短站, 快乐是短暂的,
-melody66(mel);
2007-10-4
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They are just killers
-bugkiller(Driver Coding);
2007-10-4
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你这就是中国传统文化的糟粕,佛教影响中国男人连只鸡都不敢杀,几十万满人就能统治汉人几百年,八国联军几万人就把北京给端了,死亡不可怕,可怕的是活受罪,这种论调让国人遭受几百年的屈辱,被屠杀这才是罪恶,胡就是带钢盔拉萨镇暴证明有胆才当上总书记。没胆还反个屁国家分裂,还让你按核按钮?
-zvwong(_);
2007-10-4
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勇敢的人可以为保家卫国而杀人,但不意味一定变成屠夫; 怯懦的人也可以经常欺负杀死比自己弱小的生物,但不代表他就是勇士。
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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勇士不需要培养吗,每天灌输不杀生到别人要杀你了或你的亲人你就突然变成了勇士?
-zvwong(_);
2007-10-4
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可能培养屠夫还是培养勇士有不同的方法吧。
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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看不到事物的本质就是愚蠢,楼主是女性,女人就是愚蠢的,美国不会有女总统,有了就会加速美帝国的衰败。
-zvwong(_);
2007-10-4
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You should become the US president. I support you :)
-kqc(海市);
2007-10-4
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我不钓鱼,但也不反对钓鱼的人。但我不喜欢3文鱼汇流的时候去取鱼卵的人,可恶
-1977777(回望旅途我心依旧);
2007-10-4
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可杀
-mikesmith(老猫);
2007-10-4
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呵呵,其心可煮。。。
-1977777(回望旅途我心依旧);
2007-10-4
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楼主是成年人吗.不好意思,没有不敬的意思.就是问问?
-denny(denny);
2007-10-4
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眼不见为净呀。掩耳盗铃,自欺欺人。#3970002 #3970087 #3970677
-bdbs(不多不少);
2007-10-4
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人道注意(鱼道)是由文化和生存环境决定的。就好象杀病人,吃人在极端环境下是可以接受甚至被俸为英雄行为。
-647i(流浪的步行万里);
2007-10-4
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俺坚决支持独立自主光合作用
-scar(Scar);
2007-10-4
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你勇气可嘉可是跟某些国人讲慈悲,等于跟自己找过不去
-kqc(海市);
2007-10-4
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这怎么也和国人扯上了? similar discussion can be seen everywhere.
-majia007(万土碎佛法士);
2007-10-4
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sorry, but cultural difference/ social norms/ moral standards/ social environment / economical status/ history / education background/ life experience.... all sorts of stuff do seriously influence how a person interprets, thinks and reactsno racism, but race/nationality does play a role ......
of course, greediness, cruelness, selfishness... there are many things common in human beings or all animals. I am not trying to deny that. But, nature is not the excuse for everything. I don't want to get into details of Nature Vs Nurture debate... that's it. If you feel offended, sorry about that
-kqc(海市);
2007-10-4
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interesting, some people have 2 kids in their family, for saying, I don't have a single one yet, by not having a single child, does that make me eligible to have the luxury of hooking some fish?
-majia007(万土碎佛法士);
2007-10-4
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读者文摘之类的书看多了吧?知道政府每年花多少钱灭goose吗?
-strongline(strongline);
2007-10-4
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有一次,遇一白人钓三文鱼者对俺说:即便你不杀它,它自己到上游也是死。
-hoboo(©);
2007-10-4
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absolutely right.
-ysir(胡40);
2007-10-4
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他是个白眼狼。。。LAW OF JUNGLE
-1977777(回望旅途我心依旧);
2007-10-4
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枫下钓鱼是越来越好玩了!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-lnljl(Nike);
2007-10-4
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愿意钓鱼的人没什么不对,不愿意钓鱼的没什么对!世界本就是弱肉强食的世界.
钓鱼者有钓兴趣所在或口食之爱好,不钓鱼者利用别人杀鱼食之,道理与罪行相同矣.
钓鱼者警示:
1.钓鱼本以兴趣爱好为大,食之为次之
2.钓鱼不是捕鱼,该以满足自己满足瘾头为先,好鱼者每半小时1条足矣
3.钓鱼是修身养性,切不可成群结队,象是打狼队伍
4.夜钓绝不是好钓鱼者,到象是捕鱼者(钓鱼之乐趣在于鱼咬钩时,手上心上之感觉,视觉的杆头震颤,而夜钓则失去了视觉的乐趣)
5.如果所有钓到的鱼,都必须放生,仍去钓鱼的是好的钓鱼者.
-starinsky(statinsky);
2007-10-4
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