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枫下沙龙 / 谈天说地 / 抵制日货是有效的斗争 (转贴)
-ra95(C&C);
2001-12-26
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抵制洋货的目的应该是发展国货。可是如果抵制日货的结果是购买美国货德国货,对中国的发展有什么实际意义?靠抵制日货打击日本军国主义?做梦。
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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非也非也。在下以为抵制日货是相当有道理的。首先,中国和日本咬起来的几率要远大于和美、德开战的几率。其次,战争说白了就是钱的战争,现在少买它的东西,将来它就少支持一分钟,一小时,一天,这是非常现实的。第三,,希望斑竹不要删这棵树,:)
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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日本的这个配件美国/德国公司买要100$,送到中国去卖要50$(质量不同,极有可能出现这种情况),你坚决不买那个50$的,回头却买了那个100$的,白白多送小日本50$,说你是汉奸不冤枉你吧。
-scorpio(scorpio);
2001-12-27
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那前提是美、德是傻子,他会把多出来的$50拱手送给日本?他有自己的配件不用只给日本开专卖店?恐怕不会,因此,以偏概全的说法显然不能证明你的汉奸推断。霍霍。。。
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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READ SOME INTERNATIONAL TRADING THEORY FIRST, PLEASE. THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. REMEMBER: ONE PRODUCT CAN HAVE DIFFERENT QUALITY TO DIFFERENT MARKET.
-scorpio(scorpio);
2001-12-27
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你的观点:总之,是为了跟日本打仗才抵制日货。那么,为什么不能跟日本联合呢?
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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Never select JP as your friend, my friend!!
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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国与国之间,没有永久的盟友,也没有永久的敌人。如今,中国在世界上的盟友是太少,而不是太多。把可以对我们有利的势力推向反面,对我们有什么好处?
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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Yes you are right. But if we only have 1 enemy, I hope it is Japan rather than any others. :)
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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又是一个“如果”。中国只有一个敌人,其它国家都是我们的盟友,或者至少不是敌人的盟友。一个多么美好的梦想啊。
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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No, u just misunderstand me. I mean if we have enemies, Japan is the most deserved one.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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Who's stupid enough and wants to be China's enemy? China is a nuclear giant as well as a huge market place, who's that stupid to be its enemy?
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
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No, u just misunderstand me. I mean if we have the right to select some countries as our enemies, Japan is the most deserved one.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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Ok, you agree that nobody wants to be China's enemy. Then why China chooses an enemy against itself? Remember the saying? If you treat somebody as your enemy, then he is.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-28
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I just want JP to acknowledge Nanjing massacre and give written appologize to us. But they are change their textbook and want to change the histroy. They did it, didn't they? :((
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-28
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Jap didn't apologize because China's gov never ask for that. Even Chairman Mao thanked Japan for invading China. Which party's opinion the Japan will follow, yours or the gov's?The only effective way to force Japanese making apologize is to affect China's gov. But you already know that's impossible.
It's lucky that you're in Canada. I know several activists in China have been depressed by the gov. in China. One of them is Tong2 Zeng1, who was appealing for civil compensation from Japan. He's treated as a dicident by the gov.
With that kind of gov, any boycotting effort is useless, powerless.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-28
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Then how about 40,000,000 Chinese died? Could not we do something for them?
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-28
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If I want to argue with you, I would say there's another group, who killed much more Chinese people than the Jap did. But what can you do with that?To make your country better, to make the Chinese people live a better life, that's what you can do nowaday.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-28
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同意你的两败俱伤的说法,其实我们谁都不愿意打仗。可是这也不由你呀,人家磨刀霍霍,我们说我们还是做朋友吧,最后吃亏的谁,结果显而易见。所以,世界公民还是留给我们的下一代做吧。我们始终得保持警惕,对吗?
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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和日本联合?有点一相情愿,不说大多数中国人能否作出这个决定,且说人家会同意吗?恐怕会笑吧,还是我们加紧闷头苦干,等国力真正比别人强大了再说这话吧。
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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美国打不打中国只是他想不想打的问题?没这么简单,一切都是利益为基础的,不是想干吗就干吗的。
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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历史证明"远交近攻"才是正确的战略思想. 何况对中国军事威胁最大的就是日本.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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东南亚国家大多对中国含有敌意,俄罗斯与中国的矛盾何止百年,且并未停止,印度对中国也是争斗大于合作。尽管最大军事威胁可能来自日本,难道其它较小的威胁可以忽略不计?
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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Seems u do not know 40,000,000 Chinese was killed by them. That is the reason why we hate them.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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I know there's one group that killed more Chinese than Japan army killed. What do you think?
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
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Ourself? Comm Party?
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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可谁又说和印度俄罗斯东南亚的关系可以忽略不计了呢?事情总有轻重缓急吧?万里之外和卧榻之旁,哪个的威胁最大呢?
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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是什么原因使你认为,应当急着抵制日货呢?
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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二战的受害者快要死光了…… :(((
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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如前所述,我不犯人,人要犯我。打仗不是谈恋爱,只要他蓄意,就能挑起战端。而他的意思至少已经有苗头了,这一点您能否认吗?
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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Stupid!!!
Even select JP as friends! Must be either an idiot or little knowledge to history.
-wondering(Silent);
2001-12-28
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rollor: JP is 江山易改本性难移!狗日的历史早已证明它们自己是狼子野心,把它当朋友?这是 痴人说梦。现在的东锅先生,非你莫属!!
-tanfuchun(tanfuchun);
2001-12-28
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According to your logic, many other countries, especially Russia, have bad record in the history with China. Why China keeps good relationship with them?
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-28
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china has many enemies around her and JP is No.1 in ranking. It's necessary for China to keek somehow balancing relationship to some not so bad countries since the necessity of econimic, politic, military reasons.It is unforgivetable if we forgot the evils made by JP in our country!! Buying JP products equel to supporting the development of JP economy and its military!!!
-tanfuchun(tanfuchun);
2001-12-28
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同意!要承认落后要努力向任何先进的国家学习包括日本...但这不妨碍抵制日货.
-ra95(C&C);
2001-12-27
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抵制日货是为了削弱日本的经济, 进而削弱日本的军事力量. 支持国货是为了中国的强大.
此消彼长, 但如果不能两点都做到, 做到一点也是好的. 不必把这两步混在一起.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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you got the point what i wanna say. hand, hand, 加十分。
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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堅決不買日本車﹗請你抵制日貨﹗﹗ 每個華人都有道義和責任﹗﹗﹗RA95﹐ 我支持
你﹐請握住我的手﹗﹗
-tanfuchun(tanfuchun);
2001-12-27
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me too.
-sunlighter(sunlighter);
2001-12-27
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God, the webmaster use his old skills to fold these posts into hot topics again, I just can not understand, this is not political.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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150% support! But I found it is somewhat difficult here, however I will try my best.I just bought a kodak digital camera because it is a US brand. After went back to home I just found it was made in Japan! But I already try my best to avoid purchasing Japanese product, I will still do so in case of buying any products, include my car in future if possible. If other conditions are same, Japanese product will always be NOT my choise, untill China could get an appoligy from them.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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正如你所说,抵制日货很难很难,作用很小很小。所以,有什么用?
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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But if every Chinese do so, then the impact will be huge, that is the driver to me, we should respect ourselves, they killed us, but they deny it. They must learn something from it. Hoep you can understand.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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“每个中国人都如何如何”,这种假设是不可能实现的。我们有理由憎恨一切杀人狂,但别忘了,盲目的憎恨情绪往往会使普通人转变为杀人狂。
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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They killed us in the first place, do you acknowledge this fact?
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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美国政府坚信,拉登是911事件的幕后指挥,但美国人却保护拉登的亲属们离开美国,因为他们受到了人身威胁。就是说,尽管拉登之罪十恶不赦,他的亲属没有罪。
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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Why JP do not appologize to China? Why they still have that death temple for those war criminals?
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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because China's gov NEVER ask them to apologize !!! So what?
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
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Forget the gov, they are not voted by me, :(((
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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不以善小而不为,聚沙成塔,集腋成裘,量变是可以演化为质变的,只要这世上汪激昂这样的DX多一个数量级,作用还是很明显的。
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
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U got it. If all the Chinese like Wang DX, Japanese economy will collapse soon.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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you know how many japanese products are manufactured in the mainland china every year?how much is the trade amount between china and japan
every year? if japan's economy collapsed, do you think
china (even the world) would survive?
globalization is a worldwide trend. recently china joined wto
is a good example. lets face it. pls dont be affected by the
extreme patriotism. its helpless and even dangerous.
-breathe(breathe);
2001-12-27
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I don't agree with you.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
{636}
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too naive
-breathe(breathe);
2001-12-27
{687}
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My points.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
{591}
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This one makes sense!
-goodbaby(小宝);
2001-12-27
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that doesnt make any sense
-breathe(breathe);
2001-12-27
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My god, you are so difficult to be persuaded. Give me your phone number and I will argue with you this night. :))On my opinion it is japan rely on China more. Their products must be sold in order to get money back. Now japan economy is better, but according to the speed, one day China will win. Surely there are some domastic company earn money, you know ESG of Motorola will be sold to CEC, a national wireless company. I agree with you that the right wings are supported by money, to boycott their product is just cutting their money.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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hehe, arguing is a good way to figure things out...
-breathe(breathe);
2001-12-27
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If u found good ways someday pls tell me.I agree with you for your global view. However, some products are totally Japanese ones, from the brand into the components. Let us boycott these products. I think you can find a lot of them.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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Boycotting cannot make your motherland better. China's prosperousness comes from a good system. If you can, help to improve the system.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-28
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I can not. The only thing I can do is boycotting.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-29
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1.来料加工是学习技术和管理的最好方法!别忘了电冰箱洗衣机电视机等加电的发展历史!2.日本的劳动成本高,他必须来中国生产,产品还是日货3抵制日货的结果是他本土生产量和利润的下降,和中国来料加工业无光。
-ra95(C&C);
2001-12-27
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RA95﹐ 你分析得很正確﹗﹗﹗興旺我們中華民族﹐要靠的是我們大多數同胞。我們的力量仍然遠遠不夠。中國政府也已經開始有所抵制日貨了﹐這是很好的事情。試想﹐如果我們早20年前就能夠抵制日貨﹐狗日的計算機﹐電視機﹐錄像機﹐汽車﹐照相機﹐各種設備和儀器﹐哪裡來的那麼大的市場﹖﹗也絕沒有今天的經濟諸多第一﹗我們一直覺得我們中國人比狗日的聰明多了﹐卻ALWAYS落後在世人的後面﹐還常常有種種尷尬或者丑陋讓人嘲笑。問題在哪呀﹖民族大﹐力量小﹗﹗﹗
-tanfuchun(tanfuchun);
2001-12-27
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不以善小而不为, but how can you proove boycotting is 善? At least it worsen the international relationship of China, that's not good for the further development.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-28
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事情总是从一点一滴做起. 当那些考TOEFL的同胞开始背单词时, 背第一页没什么用, 第二页也没什么用, 边背还边忘,
但持之以恒的结果是什么? 多少人把整本字典背下来了! 为什么不能把这点毅力放在爱国上呢?
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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能不买日货就不要去买。相信自己,只要我们团结起来,人人都能做到这一点,就会使日本在经济上受到打击, 就会使他们不敢再轻视我们的力量。
-newhonda();
2001-12-27
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说得对, 不能把自己的命运寄托在别人的 "良知" 上, 要靠自己.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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这不要紧,关键是脑子里有根弦,有和没有的区别是哪怕是万分之一也是零的无穷多倍!//hand!
-ra95(C&C);
2001-12-27
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你的意思是:管他有没有用,只要思想认识对了就行。
-rollor(Rollor);
2001-12-27
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你不要这样说嘛....Frankly, I did just for my happiness. Because, if I bought Japanese product, it brings some unhappiness.
-ra95(C&C);
2001-12-27
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是很难. 但尽量不买日本牌子. 牌子是无形资产, 难道中国受过日本的侮辱, 我们的人民还要用血汗钱为它立牌子吗?
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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如果我们的祖国真正的强大那我们就根本不用抵制日货,因为我们会讨论:
是买海鸥DC-400还是买熊猫G-2
是买解放卡米还是东风烤肉拉
......
所以抵制不是办法,只有自强才是唯一出路
-breathe(breathe);
2001-12-27
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But what can we do beside boycotting Japan products, I know it is not a good method, do you have better ones for individauls now?
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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爱国可以表现在诚实(不作假简历,假学历,假驾照)
正直(不歧视其它人种,不羡慕白色人种)
有教养(不在地铁公车上喧哗)
助人(不以善小而不为,不以恶小而为之)
......
人自立而国自立,人自强而国自强
-breathe(breathe);
2001-12-27
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I am trying to do according to your requests everday. Let us try to boycott some Japanese products as well and we'd better let JP goverment know that.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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强大是一个相对的概念, 你发展一步, 却协助你的对手发展两步, 那么你永远都处在被动挨打的地步. 如果你发展一步,
拖后对手半步, 那么迟早会有赶上的机会.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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you can buycott their products, they can also buycott your products.
we need friends to help each other, not another cold war
-breathe(breathe);
2001-12-27
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日本是个资源贫乏的国家, 它抵制中国的廉价货物而去购买其他远方国家的货物, 只会让它雪上加霜.
而国人买的日本货基本上不是生活必须品, 抵制日货并不会造成生活的困难.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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It's useless to tell us such point. The only available way is to tell the big persons like Jiang or Zhu. Only those big persons have the right to boycott something.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
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这种说法最没劲!!总把责任推到政府身上. 政府叫你做什么的时候, 你真的做了吗?
到时候又一大帮人跑到天安门静坐, 要求 "还我自由选购的权利".
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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Well, you don't want Japanese product, but the gov imports 1 billion dollars of Japan goods, what can you do? If the wholesaler does not import Japan goods, how can you find them in the stores?
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
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You are so funny!
-goodbaby(小宝);
2001-12-27
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If nobody buys the Japanese goods, will the gov. still import them? The gov. is just market-oriented.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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" The gov. is just market-oriented.", because the gov know Japan product has good market in China, and Chinese people knows Jap product is of good quality... that's the reason.Further, for 50 years, our gov has been telling us that Japan is one of our nicest neighbough, Japanese people are very nice people...blahblah Such propaganda gave me very deep impression. Plus, if one of my friends tell me his Japan TV (for example) is of great quality.... Why don't I also buy a Japan stuff?
And now you tell me we should boycott it! Which side should I follow, the gov, or you?
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
{406}
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The gov. wants to build a good relationship with Japan, then it says something blahblah. Here we are not going to treat Japan as an enemy, we should regard it as a rival.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
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Good, your point changed: Now Jap is not enemy but a rival... However, do you think China's industry is advanced enough to be rival of Jap's?
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
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Boycotting is useless under global economics
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
{678}
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See #314519
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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It makes little sense. Nowaday you can hardly find any 'pure' Japanese prodcuct. If there're some, they must can't be produced by other countries --that means they're your only choices.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
(#314563@0)
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This could not be measured precisely. However if you want to boycott, you can always know how to do.
-pyramid(金字塔);
2001-12-27
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其结果是 "海尔" 电视会在深圳开一个更大的分厂. 因为竞争对手完蛋了, 海尔电视更好卖了.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
(#314550@0)
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Do you know where the production line, any many critical components, of Haier from? The same, Japan.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
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我承认有这种可能. 但随着中国企业的技术发展, 慢慢会有自己的生产线. 如果大家都去协助它的竞争对手,
中国企业的发展将会变的缓慢, 只好永远的用人家的生产线了.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
(#314575@0)
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hopefully. btw, the case of TV factory in #314541 is only an example. can you find any points against my main idea in that post?
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
(#314584@0)
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我的意思是, 抵制的方法也许短期作用很小, 但滴水穿石, 它总能对日本经济造成一定的副面影响.
如果大家都不做任何事, 难道等到别人打到家门口才后悔吗?
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
(#314598@0)
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再说, 买日本品牌, 日本赚的是大头. 买中国品牌, 日本最多只能得小头. 哪怕能有一点儿作用都是好的.
不跨出第一步, 怎么会有第二步.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-27
(#314582@0)
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I admire your spirit.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
(#314591@0)
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FW: 如果你是中国人
-tanfuchun(tanfuchun);
2001-12-27
{11390}
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I can easily find more extreme articles by Chinese against Japan for you. Like the one you forwarded, it's just non-sense.It does not reflect the mainstream of Japan society, neither does it aftect the gov's policy of Japan.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-27
{103}
(#314755@0)
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KIWI, 我明白你娼日的动机,绝对不是中国什么阿Q精神可以解释的!!!
-tanfuchun(tanfuchun);
2001-12-28
(#315511@0)
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If you can, please focus on my points of view.
-kiwi(kiwi);
2001-12-28
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You should once more read and understand the article "如果你是中国人" forwarded by me. Then it is possible for us to discussion further.
-tanfuchun(tanfuchun);
2001-12-28
(#315668@0)
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要问任何一个了解日本侵华历史的人,他们都会对日本表示愤慨。可是这些会对日本所作所为表示愤慨的人,却不一定会对日本的产品有抵触情绪。因为:
他们认为日本产品好,
抵制日本产品对抵制日本没有任何作用,而对自己的生活却马上少了选择。
每个人的想法都会那么不同,可在这样大的问题上都不能有共识, 实在是感到无奈。
-seilings(KindOfBug);
2001-12-27
{249}
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1. 如果您有选择,请不买或少买日本货<br>2.抵制日货是出于理智而非感情。<br>3.我们爱好和平,但绝不需要宋襄公式的仁慈。
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-27
(#314787@0)
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This is the point!
-bloor(不老);
2001-12-28
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I think america and japanese should hate each other. But why no america or japan say these kind of words? Do you have head?
-yong(yang);
2001-12-28
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让我这个没脑子的人再给您解释解释,美国日本一个美洲一个亚洲,相隔10万8千里,没有根本利益冲突。中国日本可就两样,一个锅里吃饭,勺把子总要磕磕碰碰,所以抵制更多是出于利害考虑,而不纯粹出于感情。
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-28
(#316011@0)
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I still think fair play is the best competion in this world. History is history. You can\\\\If you feel brave, establish a china panasonic, toshiba, hitachi, epson.......
Whole world people admare japanese. They don\\\\
-yong(yang);
2001-12-28
{133}
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to some extent you're right. but fair play for an fated enemy, that's naive.
-xanada(㊣流水);
2001-12-28
(#316360@0)
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Because most of the Japanese have been "washed the brains" by American culture. They admire the living style of America. Same here, those who admire Japanese products do not hate Japan.
-clinux(C/Linux);
2001-12-28
(#316033@0)
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不能走极端...anti-Japan != 放弃对美好生活的追求 ...二者不矛盾
-ra95(C&C);
2001-12-29
(#316994@0)