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枫下沙龙 / 谈天说地 / 刚才看城市电视“麻辣一言堂”谈论BC教师罢工。前两天坛子上说这里的教育方式好,不太认同。
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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Who said their salary is 60,70k? Are you talking about private school or universities?
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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High school teacher salary is 65K, department head 70K, principle 80K. my teacher used to show me his pay cheque.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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Really? Now I would rethink about the program I take.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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as I said below: startup is around 45K of high school teacher.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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How about kindergarden teacher? I love to play with kids.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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Me too... but my mom go against it...
I don't think their paid is high. I've never been to kindergarden in here, so don't know about them.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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I used to get the child from school. They only work for 2.5*2 hours a day fooling kids around.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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yeah, I love that job too.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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so you have any idea how to be one? What kind of education I am supposed to have?
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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College will be enough... But don't know exactly how.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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What do you mean 'kindergarden teacher'? What do they do?
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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You 4 er2 yuan2
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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University professors are around 80 - 120K. I know that because professors with salary over 100K has to be published. And about 30% of them are over in university of waterloo.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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一个朋友刚当上电工,半年后27/hr,
作者: =56K
日期: 11-29-01 07:11
-newhonda(honda);
2001-11-29
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Look Inside
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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I don't agree with you. 这里的中小学教育实在不能认同。当然,大学还是不错的。所以还是等孩子大了再接来上大学,比较好。
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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You really don't understand what is the education.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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Agree..he doesn't understand the true meaning of Canadian education.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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Who said so?
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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of course. I think there is a misunderstanding. If our children will work in Canada, your choice is right. But I think they have better future, backgropund and bigger sucess in China.If they had not living experience of China, they would not have advantage even as a Chinese person. Of course, it is based on your confidence about China's future
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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With an education in Canada, we can work and prospect in the whole world!. With an education in China, can you (with exception to those a few good universities which account for less than 1% of total students)?
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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right! So they should have their university education here. My focus is primary and middle school.
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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As I told you, your child won't do as good as others if she/he only comes here for university. Local students will do so much better than him OVERALL including job hurting, social skill, networking skill.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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But at the same time local students have no enough skills to work in China or do their business in China
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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You can't pick one of the best elementary school in China to compare to Canadian elementary school overall.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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As I said, in here, the teachers show you the way, you have to walk through it by youself. In China, parents and teachers carry you through it!
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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My friend who is a teacher have been working for 15 years, his salary is 60K. Comparing to other occupation, teacher's salary is lower.
-lilyba(Sunshine);
2001-11-28
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15yr should be around 65K... starting is around 45K and then for teacher, MAX you can get is 65K.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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this is not the issue, thing is that the job stability is high, consider how important it is in NA. they have very strong union. also benefits are good, paid vacations are much longer than any other type of workers.
-tongbuyong(通不用);
2001-11-28
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教育方式
-lilyba(Sunshine);
2001-11-28
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agree.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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But some really smart guys are still doing pretty well in every field. Maybe it is just because we are not smart enough. Hehe.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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Now you know the difference.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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I always know that. So don't expect too much from myself.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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Me too, only a good gf is enough.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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hehe. But I am afraid I lost the chance. Wish you better luck.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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are you a guy or a girl???????
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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受教育,独立思考是每个人的权利,NOT ONLY SMART GUY。
-lilyba(Sunshine);
2001-11-28
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But stupid guy can't think independently... They need someone else to design the road for him to follow. That's what pig head means.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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Yes, I know that. Just image at the time we implement the system in China. More garbage or more smart guys?
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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China is growing.. so always more garbage and more smart guy.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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同意。不过国内除了政治观点是禁区外,其它方面还是鼓励独立思考,培养个性的。比如:那时我们学校的风格就是“双基教育”基本知识和基本技能。基本技能就是建立独立解决问题的能力。
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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You can't compare one school. You have to look at the whole system.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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You know how many high schools in China? How many schools are like yours? Have you seen that movie? Have been to poor area of China?
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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agree! But I think our children have no opportunities to go to that kind of school. Those children who go to that kind of school have no opportunities to live in Canada. Right?
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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Sorry don't get you.
-zhu(每天都想着LP的猪头);
2001-11-28
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I attend 6 yrs elementary schools and 3 yrs Jr. High and 1 yrs Sr. High in china, And my school doesn't even have a band, no interest club at all, sport team only offer to a few best sport students, and I'm in Canada!
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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and I enjoyed so much about my high school here because I was in the badminton, volleyball team, I got my lifeguard, I'm in the computer club, student senates.. which I will have no opportunity to do in China.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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I think they are very general programs in Beijing and Shanghai. You would get them very easy except your English.
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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You can't use two city to represent the whole country. I'm in Guang Dong, the richest province in China. And if our schools are like that, don't even need to mention other provinces.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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Not to mention my elementary school, Jr. high and Sr. high are all Provincial Level 1 school.. i.e. Sheng3 Zhong4 dian3
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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Which province? Too bad! Why do you disclose them to Department of Education?
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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Guang Dong..... what can I tell the Department of Education? Tell them we don't have a band? Do they give a damn? The school just wants us to get high mark so they can continue to be Zhong4 Dian3.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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And I think in Chinese school, equal opportunities do not exist. The teacher thinks you are good, she will select you to join something. The teacher thinks you are not good, don't even think about it.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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国内所有人文科学,自然科学领域也同样受政治影响。又有什么领域不受政治影响呢我记得上大学(或高中),一个著名的考题是:人性是否有阶级性?
在自然科学领域,要在马克思的唯物论指导下进行。所以我原来工作的科研所,领导(包括技术领导)必须是党员。培养的是“又红又专”
而我们所学的马克思主义不过是断章取义。
再说历史,初中时,我始终不理解司马迁为什么会被阉割,现在算明白了,他不想当“婊子”。
再说语文:我对杨朔(是这个名字吧)的香山红叶嗤之以鼻。想想我高中时还不是语文特好,有鉴赏力呢,但所谓学术权威能把这样滥的文章收入课本,怎么不是误人子弟呢。
-lilyba(Sunshine);
2001-11-28
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当然有缺点,我们要找出的是优点多缺点少的地方。
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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You should understand more about Canadian system, see how many people have different opinion than you?? You should consider why they all have different opinions.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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sure
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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You had middle school education here?
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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From Gr. 10 to Gr. OAC, finish first semester in Gr 1, Sr. High in China.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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Sorry! Gr. 10 to Gr. OAC?
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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Gr. OAC = Gr. 13
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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oh by the way, we do have interest club, but you enjoy during the summer holiday. But it's not offered through your high school or elementary school, Unlike here, you join through out the school year.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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I don't know what you refered to. In China, interest clubs are more busy in summer holiday. For example, our school's volleyball team had detailed training plans in summer holiday.
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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school close in my city during summmer. We join interest club offer by other social organizations....
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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Which city? It's terriblly against the policies from Central Government. Disclose them! At least you should send a email to The Department of Education.
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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I don't really think it's against it. School only open for Gao Er and Chu1 San3 student to prepare for the exam. Other teachers are in holiday. It's common in the whole guangdong province.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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我觉得大家说的,可能不是什么大缺点,我想说说我认为国内教育的主要缺点,不知大家是不是认同。主要是在人格形成方面。
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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In China, MARK is everything. As long as your mark is high, parents' happy, teachers' happy, but you are not happy......
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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After you get to used to it, you are happy too because your parents are happy, and your teachers are happy.
-lilyba(Sunshine);
2001-11-28
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These parents are low-level. Don't care about them. Most of our parents are not like that.
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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I agree. That's the reason that I want my kids educated in Canada not in China.The education in elementary school and middle school in China was very intensive but most of the stuff we learned would be totally useless in real life. I find it is very important that how education shapes a person and the personality being built through years in schools would determine how this person going to contribute to the society.
Just my two cents.
-wade(wade);
2001-11-28
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但是加拿大的教育我相信是在培养一个合格的公民,但是这里恐怕培养不出多少伟人。如果你想让的孩子名垂青史,还是到中国去的好。中国的教育更象是培养伟人的教育(比如大人物的几个要素:心计,手腕,心狠手辣)
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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A country can only work properly with a lot of qualified citizen who knows how to take responsibility.
-wade(wade);
2001-11-28
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That example is a little not representative. Change one----I don't find out any famous gymnastic player of Olympic in Canada. Because they need to be trained from their very little ages and very hard. So Canadian just can get very few Golden Plate in Olympic Games.
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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how many people can get happy? how many people can get high mark?
a few in the whole school?? That's only 1 No. 1, 1 No.2....
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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That is just the happiness of competition.
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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after the compeitition, ready to get beat up when the ranking is out.. that's the way it is.
-jeffrey815(Smartiecat);
2001-11-28
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haha!
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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A real story
-dropoutinmiami(东北的饺子);
2001-11-28
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you should encourage her to take part in spy training when she grew up. She would have enough courage and experience at that time. Her tricks wouldn't be found out next time. Of course, she need to be led to correct way.
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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possiblly she would become that kind of Great Man.为国家做出巨大的贡献。总比她当个平凡的公司职员更有成就。关键是“引导”。
-chineseman123(问问);
2001-11-28
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There are more bright classmates in schools of china than in canada. Top of billions students are more clever than Top of millions students.
-newhonda(honda);
2001-11-28
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Another Conclusion: There are more stupid classmates in schools of china than in canada. Top of billions students are more stupid than Top of millions students.
-lilyba(Sunshine);
2001-11-28
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