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枫下茶话 / 美国话题 / 关于TN的加拿大税务,提个建议,问两个问题。很多人好像不清楚税务协定。根据 treaty article XXV 的非歧视条款,加拿大居民享有和美国公民一样的税务优惠
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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,因此你可以用1040NR 但同时使用 1040 MFJ ( married file jointly) tax rate and deductions.同时你可用2555免去你的加拿大工资收入.这样可以把美国的税务降到最低.请大家仔细研究!!
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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1040NR 怎么可以和1040 MFJ ( married file jointly) 同时使用呢? 1040NR用于美国非税务居民报税,1040用于美国税务居民报税。
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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That is why I said few people know that. Please note, use 1040NR, but use the Rate and Deduction for 1040MRJ. This is generally for the guys who want to lowest their US TAX.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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使用1040NR,只可以使用1040NR的Rate。
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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Impossible. You must use 1040NR rate table. Actually you may pay less tax than 1040 if your familiy stayed with you for some time. 1040NR has deductions and only applies to US income.
-cerboros(Once Upon Great King);
2006-5-24
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Sorry for misunderstanding. I am married and other half is working in Canada. I am working in US. If you are single, of course, you can not claim spouse deduction.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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1040NR can also claim dependent deduction. But requires the dependent to be lived in US for at least 1 month. No proof is required although.
-cerboros(Once Upon Great King);
2006-5-24
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1040NR has less reduction than 1040
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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那你为什么不使用1040?不够使用 1040 的条件吗?
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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yes, I do not meet SPT. ANd I do not want to elect my spouse as a US resident because then he has to report his world income to US.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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he does not want to report his Canada income and his wife's Canada income to IRS, but on the other side he wants to use the 1040 rate table. How much tax he can save in this way? possible a couple hundres bucks.
-cerboros(Once Upon Great King);
2006-5-24
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For 2005, yes, I can only save about 600. But for next year, if I still want to do this way, that is more than $2000.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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Simple put, you can not do this way. You will be asked to pay back the money with interest. Fortunately IRS treats tax payer much better than CRA.The treaty says that Canada citizen should get the same tax treatment as US residents when residing in US. Yes it is true, 1040 does not discriminate any foreign citizens. 1040 Treats all US residents the same way. It did not say that nonresident pays the same amoutn tax as resident with foreign income not counted.
-cerboros(Once Upon Great King);
2006-5-24
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Yes, I can. It does not matter whether if you are a NR or not for tax treaty. Canada citizen should get the same tax treatment as US resident.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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I use 1040NR simply because I am a NR in 2005. Otherwise, I can use 1040 (MRJ)
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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I use 1040NR simply because I am a NR in 2005. Otherwise, I can use 1040 (MRJ)
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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The purpose of using the treaty is to pay least to tax to US. But if you want to report CRA honestly, do not bother. CRA will get every penny you saved as if you were working in Canada.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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Form 8833 Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure Under Section 6114 or 7701(b) need to filed with your return if you want to take advantage of the treaty.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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请问"把美国的税务降到最低" 有什么好处? 如果加拿大这边还要交税的话? 那不是拿了IRS 退回来的钱再送给 CCRA?
-nix(梦似烟花心似水);
2006-5-24
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You are absolutely right. But for some people, they have to file Canada Tax. They may have big deduction in Canada, like RRSP, capital loss, this will be great for him.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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第一个问题,在加拿大报美国收入,如果是电子报税,不需要提供W2的复印件.假设你申报了Foreign Tax credit (Social security and medical care) ,那么有多大的可能性 CRA会要求看W2的复印件?请有经验的朋友告知一下.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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如果申报了Foreign Tax credit,就不可以使用电子报税。那么,CRA要求看W2的复印件的可能性是100%.
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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不一定吧, 我就报了Foreign Tax credit, 也用了电子报税, 没要求看W2. 不过, 我是补了税给CCRA 的, 估计他们看到钱就没什么意见了.
-nix(梦似烟花心似水);
2006-5-24
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我是用quicktax报税的。quicktax说我不能电子报税。我把Foreign Tax credit去掉后,就可以电子报税了。
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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Thank you.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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QuickTax竟然有这样的毛病,开了眼界?超过一个国家的FTC不能NETFILE。但如果总计不超过$200,可以合在一个国家报。
-cadillac(为解放全人类而奋斗的);
2006-5-25
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ufile can do that for you with e-file. Depending on your software.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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谢谢!下次我用ufile。
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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或者,我为了避免CRA查我的美国收入,我根本就不申报foreign Tax Credit,我把算出来的美国收入填一个other employment income.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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这样的话,你是否准备向加拿大税务局如实申报美国收入?
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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YES. At least this year.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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因为可能是小费或其他现金收入,CRA可能也不知道是美国收入. other employment income填个23000, CRA 一般不会问吧?
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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那末你只报了收入,却没有报tax credit,岂不是要在加拿大再缴一次税--double tax?
-gastank(youxiang);
2006-5-28
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第二个问题,到底有没有人因为该报美国收入而没有向CRA申报从而惹上麻烦?我认识的在美国工作的加拿大人都没有报,可能他们都打定主意留美过了吧? 唯一的一个例外是由个人挣的太多了,年薪25万,想了想没敢冒险,两边都报了.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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加拿大非税务居民有可能不必向加拿大税务局申报美国收入。
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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既然是加拿大非税务居民了,当然不要向加拿大CRA报税
-vetra(piyupiyu);
2006-5-24
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因为该报美国收入而没有向CRA申报从而惹上麻烦?I am not talking about non-resident.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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要合法的话得学马总理, 把收入弄到一个岛上, 只给这个岛交5%的税
-cerboros(Once Upon Great King);
2006-5-24
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当然,郑裕玲或张五常的例子是极端,毕竟好几千万?我想说明的是:查税也有成本,为了追一万块钱的税作跨国调查不值.对我们来说,能省下来还是很不错.有什么好怕的.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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你的前提是你一辈子不会发财。但是一旦你哪一天发财了,请别抱怨美加税务局新帐旧账一起算,大刑伺候。
-ustax(roliatax);
2006-5-24
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郑玉玲在加拿大有房产,因此不算非税务居民;张无偿涉及诈骗和洗钱,非法收入没有报税。
-cadillac(为解放全人类而奋斗的);
2006-5-25
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难道美加税务局不通信息吗? 如果美国ISR把有TN visa的人信息和加拿大这边一交换, 一下不就查出来了?
-redbean(redbean);
2006-5-24
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Is every single sentence of your immigration statement true?
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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这么说吧, 加拿大的税务局绝对是奖励LIAR。 我每次报美国的收入CRA绝对要来查。
我不报反而不查。 特别要注意的是CRA里面的人很多是白痴, 把美国的税项目硬说
那不是税。
-cerboros(Once Upon Great King);
2006-5-24
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Thanks, buddy. That is the info I want. I do not earn two much last year. So I can report my true income.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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But I do not want to claim tax credit and I do not want them to know that I am working in US. I plan not to report next year.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-24
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my questions:1) I did not find the regulation in 1040NR that a dependant child should present in US for at least 30 days.
2) If I stayed in US for more than 183 days, I think I should use 1040, not 1040NR. Is that right?
I've almost the same situation as you.
-victorzhou(patty);
2006-5-24
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1. It does not matter where your kids. 2. You can still fill 1040NR if you do not have GC. Once again, Tax treaty, you claim canada as your tax home.
-obix(obix2006);
2006-5-25
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