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我也相信这件事不会长久,毕竟已不是完全的计划经济,而且,中国的电信市场早已不是铁板一块!

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛China Telecom, with late tariff hike, to price IPO
Reuters, 10.30.02, 3:05 AM ET

By Tony Munroe

HONG KONG, Oct 30 (Reuters) - China Telecom Corp Ltd <0728.HK> (nyse: CHA - news - people) is expected to price its massive initial public offering toward the low end of its indicated range despite a last-minute hike in charges to connect calls from Hong Kong and elsewhere, fund managers said.

The fixed-line phone giant, which hopes to raise up to US$3.68 billion in the world's third-biggest offering this year, is set to price its shares late on Wednesday in New York or early on Thursday in Hong Kong.

In a move that has raised eyebrows in Hong Kong and underscores the regulatory risk of investing in China, the carrier two days ago told Hong Kong phone companies that it would boost connection fees for calls from the territory by eight-fold to 17 US cents per minute -- effective on Friday.

"I think it's outrageous," David Webb, a Hong Kong corporate governance and shareholder rights advocate, told Reuters.

"It's a blatant attempt to pump the IPO," said Webb, who runs the Internet page Webb-site.com.

Hong Kong is a huge source of calling traffic into mainland China, and calling volumes from the territory are three times the volume of traffic in the other direction, meaning China Telecom could enjoy a profit windfall from the increased connection charge, industry sources said.

"I think they're trying to support the issue any way they can, and I think it makes sense for them to do that," said Henry Lee, managing director at fund managers Hendale Advisors Ltd.

Company watchers warned that the increase in call rates could be short-lived, given that China is liberalising its telecoms sector and competition will likely force carriers to bring rates back down again.

"One of the reasons they're raising rates is they'll gradually have to start reducing rates," said Lee.

Webb said that under the new tariff structure, calls from Hong Kong into neighbouring Guangdong province will cost four times the rate of a typical call from Hong Kong to New York.

PROSPECTUS AS WORK IN PROGRESS

In the second supplement to its prospectus in two days, China Telecom said on Wednesday that China's telecoms regulator had "unified" the minimum tariff rate for inbound international calls -- including from Hong Kong -- at 17 US cents.

The rate from Hong Kong is currently about 2 US cents. It could not immediately be determined what China charges for calls from other places, and whether the new minimum represents a big overall increase.

China Telecom said it had "not made any quantitative assessment of how this change will impact the results of the company," but said it won't have any material impact on results in its current year, which ends in two months.

Already during its IPO, the company has had to play down earnings and revenue guidance it gave during a media briefing last week, and issued a prospectus supplement on Tuesday urging investors not to regard those numbers as projections.

REGULATORY RISK

Beijing's heavy regulatory hand can cut both ways for foreign investors.

Shares in China's duopoly cellular giants China Mobile (Hong Kong) <0941.HK> and China Unicom Ltd <0762.HK> -- fell 20 and 28 percent, respectively, during a week in late 2000 on worries over a change in pricing policy by Beijing.

The conflict between Beijing's wish to lure foreign capital and its hopes of developing a competitive telecoms sector have frequently been at odds. Uncertain timing over China's eventual issuance of additional mobile licences, for example, has at times spooked investors in the two carriers.

In its updated prospectus on Wednesday, China Telecom noted that its parent is "actively seeking" a mobile licence.

TOUGH TIMING

China Telecom launched its huge offering into a market soured on stocks in general and telecoms in particular, although the company won a reprieve of sorts when the recent rebound in markets began just as it set out on its investor roadshow.

The company, which is counting on relatively low phone penetration in China and still vigorous economic growth to lure investors, also sweetened its planned dividend payout.

Still, market insiders expect the IPO to be priced towards the cheaper end of its indicated range of HK$1.48-HK$1.71.

"I expect the issue price will be set at the lower end of the range -- 1.48 to 1.50," said a fund manager at a North American brokerage in Hong Kong.

The company issuing shares includes networks in three of China's richest provinces plus the city of Shanghai.

Some in the market have expressed worry that the company's plans to buy additional provincial networks -- perhaps within 2003 -- could lead to further capital-raising efforts. Shares in the carrier are set to begin trading on November 6 in New York and the following day in Hong Kong.

(US$=HK$7.8)

Copyright 2002, Reuters News Service更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 相约北美 / 探亲团聚 / 卑鄙的中国电信把中国长话接入费涨了7倍,我的电话卡中的时间从65分钟降到了12分钟,中国电信一定是穷疯了。
    • 什么时候的事?
      • 两分钟前
      • 听说新的话费将于11月1日起实行,不知道是不是真的
      • 原来是电信在捣鬼,昨天和老婆的几个电话,开始两个好像正常,21:00(东部时间)时,居然余额 $1.7 的 Calling card 只有 6 分钟,弄得我纳闷了半天,看来得换卡了
        • 问题不是电话卡,是中国电信。你换哪个都一样。
          • 我们应该紧密团结在裆中央的周围。至于长话费,尻他!
    • 没涨,1分钟以前,CiCi卡。
      • 我的是calling card
        • 我的calling card涨了,CICI还没涨。
        • 怎么倒霉的事都让我给赶上啦,我是2年以来第一次买卡,calling card,还到处宣传它便宜!不过我只买了张5块的,今天早上还打了5毛钱。
      • 肯定是电脑出故障了,上次我打了很多天的电话,卡上的钱一分没少。哈哈,了死我了。
        • 是啊,我两小时前打过没涨,可我刚才打就发现涨了
          • 过两天在打吧,要不然很吃亏,肯定是电脑出问题了。或着换张卡打。
      • u can try now. now is Nov 1, Beijing Time. my phone card can only make 13 mins which could be 60 min before.
        • 刚试了,没涨。cici card
          • i should use CICI. My card is Nextel
      • price rocked already
        华人在线,涨了,且效果极差。crazy, they are just crazy, and that is also rational, those guys need money too.
    • 涨的是国内长话还是国际长途电话卡?
    • 不会吧?这么恶心啊?难以置信!是不是所有的电话卡都需要接入费用?
      • 中国内地最大的电信商――中国电信,
        日前去信通知全球所有电讯商,将大幅度调高至内地的长途电话接入费,并提价高达七倍半,并于本周五正式生效 (即使,消费者现在持有低费率的电话服务计划或电话卡,也将随之中国电信的提价导致费率提高或分钟数减少)。

        由于电讯市场竞争激烈,海外电讯商几近无利可图,势必把增加的成本转嫁到广大消费者身上,将令长途电话费(包括电话卡)出现三年来首次大幅度加价。据悉,海外电讯商正紧急商讨联合要求中国电信缩减加幅。

        中国电信垄断内地大部分电信市场,经营海外长途电话的电信商一般没有其它网络选择,为减少损失,有电讯商计划组成联合阵线,与中电信交涉,缩减加幅,因为中电信提出的新接网费,每分钟最少为20美分。

        由于美中长途电话及电话卡市场竞争激烈,电话公司不断恶性竞争,减价抢客,根本已无利可图,现时中国电信突然宣布大幅度增加接入费,由于加价幅度太大,电讯商别无选择,势必增加打至中国的电话费率,令长途电话收费时光倒流,重新回到三,四年前的水平。

        如电讯商决定把增加的接入费(20美分),悉数转嫁在消费者身上。消费者可能将在24小时内面临每分钟收费由目前的 $0.04被 $0.30取代,幅度大概在8倍左右。
        • 垄断的结果…………
          • 天哪,不会这么恐怖吧,涨了这么高?
    • phonify的没有涨价,可能还没有来得及调吧。刚刚才打的。
    • calling card 5$ 20minutes,cici 5$ 50minutes now.
    • 我的天每天要跟LP汇报一小时的,以后我的开销可就大了.TMD中国电信
    • 很大可能是你的卡乱扣钱,即使中国电信涨价也不是今天。
      • 呵呵,我觉得也是。还没有到星期5呢。
    • 也有消息说不是中国电信在搞鬼,而是“少数国内操纵电信资源的投机官商利用十六大权力交替的间隙而精心策划的一次垄断市场的机会……”具体见
      • 不知道谁可以操纵中国电信资源?
        • 没关系啦!我打过去嘛!
    • 我也相信这件事不会长久,毕竟已不是完全的计划经济,而且,中国的电信市场早已不是铁板一块!
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛China Telecom, with late tariff hike, to price IPO
      Reuters, 10.30.02, 3:05 AM ET

      By Tony Munroe

      HONG KONG, Oct 30 (Reuters) - China Telecom Corp Ltd <0728.HK> (nyse: CHA - news - people) is expected to price its massive initial public offering toward the low end of its indicated range despite a last-minute hike in charges to connect calls from Hong Kong and elsewhere, fund managers said.

      The fixed-line phone giant, which hopes to raise up to US$3.68 billion in the world's third-biggest offering this year, is set to price its shares late on Wednesday in New York or early on Thursday in Hong Kong.

      In a move that has raised eyebrows in Hong Kong and underscores the regulatory risk of investing in China, the carrier two days ago told Hong Kong phone companies that it would boost connection fees for calls from the territory by eight-fold to 17 US cents per minute -- effective on Friday.

      "I think it's outrageous," David Webb, a Hong Kong corporate governance and shareholder rights advocate, told Reuters.

      "It's a blatant attempt to pump the IPO," said Webb, who runs the Internet page Webb-site.com.

      Hong Kong is a huge source of calling traffic into mainland China, and calling volumes from the territory are three times the volume of traffic in the other direction, meaning China Telecom could enjoy a profit windfall from the increased connection charge, industry sources said.

      "I think they're trying to support the issue any way they can, and I think it makes sense for them to do that," said Henry Lee, managing director at fund managers Hendale Advisors Ltd.

      Company watchers warned that the increase in call rates could be short-lived, given that China is liberalising its telecoms sector and competition will likely force carriers to bring rates back down again.

      "One of the reasons they're raising rates is they'll gradually have to start reducing rates," said Lee.

      Webb said that under the new tariff structure, calls from Hong Kong into neighbouring Guangdong province will cost four times the rate of a typical call from Hong Kong to New York.

      PROSPECTUS AS WORK IN PROGRESS

      In the second supplement to its prospectus in two days, China Telecom said on Wednesday that China's telecoms regulator had "unified" the minimum tariff rate for inbound international calls -- including from Hong Kong -- at 17 US cents.

      The rate from Hong Kong is currently about 2 US cents. It could not immediately be determined what China charges for calls from other places, and whether the new minimum represents a big overall increase.

      China Telecom said it had "not made any quantitative assessment of how this change will impact the results of the company," but said it won't have any material impact on results in its current year, which ends in two months.

      Already during its IPO, the company has had to play down earnings and revenue guidance it gave during a media briefing last week, and issued a prospectus supplement on Tuesday urging investors not to regard those numbers as projections.

      REGULATORY RISK

      Beijing's heavy regulatory hand can cut both ways for foreign investors.

      Shares in China's duopoly cellular giants China Mobile (Hong Kong) <0941.HK> and China Unicom Ltd <0762.HK> -- fell 20 and 28 percent, respectively, during a week in late 2000 on worries over a change in pricing policy by Beijing.

      The conflict between Beijing's wish to lure foreign capital and its hopes of developing a competitive telecoms sector have frequently been at odds. Uncertain timing over China's eventual issuance of additional mobile licences, for example, has at times spooked investors in the two carriers.

      In its updated prospectus on Wednesday, China Telecom noted that its parent is "actively seeking" a mobile licence.

      TOUGH TIMING

      China Telecom launched its huge offering into a market soured on stocks in general and telecoms in particular, although the company won a reprieve of sorts when the recent rebound in markets began just as it set out on its investor roadshow.

      The company, which is counting on relatively low phone penetration in China and still vigorous economic growth to lure investors, also sweetened its planned dividend payout.

      Still, market insiders expect the IPO to be priced towards the cheaper end of its indicated range of HK$1.48-HK$1.71.

      "I expect the issue price will be set at the lower end of the range -- 1.48 to 1.50," said a fund manager at a North American brokerage in Hong Kong.

      The company issuing shares includes networks in three of China's richest provinces plus the city of Shanghai.

      Some in the market have expressed worry that the company's plans to buy additional provincial networks -- perhaps within 2003 -- could lead to further capital-raising efforts. Shares in the carrier are set to begin trading on November 6 in New York and the following day in Hong Kong.

      (US$=HK$7.8)

      Copyright 2002, Reuters News Service更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 真是无耻。那国内打出去的有没有涨价呢?如果没涨的话用国内的IP打好象应该比打回来便宜了。
    • 希望不是真的. 好象国内打国外的没涨? 怎么出了国以后, 东西都变的国内的便宜了? 出国以前, 羡慕国外的假期多, 现在倒过来了, 出国以前羡慕国外打电话便宜, 现在看来又要倒过来了.sigh.
      • 我刚试过,10 元的calling card 原来给北京打是270分钟,现在变成40分钟了。都是江泽民他儿子在做怪!!!!!!!!!!
        • cici卡没变. 好像
    • 我刚问了我的长途电话公司,真的是要涨价了,只是还不知道要涨到多少?
    • 用IP电话可以解决这个费用问题吗?
    • 真难以想象电信业发展到今天还会有这种事情!只有不要脸的中国电信才干得出来!你们注意到没有?国内网站上没有这条新闻!打倒垄断!!!!!
      • yes, you can find the news on sohu.
    • 昨天在14台的新闻看到公布的是香港到内地的接入费上涨, 猜测某些电话卡是通过香港中转进入大陆的, 这些卡应该先受影响.
    • 卑鄙
      • 中国电信真缺乏国际性大企业的气度,我用的是CTNnet卡,不知今天晚上还能剩几分钟! 打倒贪官污吏!打倒以降绵恒为代表的官僚资本主义!!
    • sohu的新闻里提到了原因:“有关专家分析,一直以来,中国电信收取的国际长途来话结算费用都比较低,这直接影响了中国电信的外汇收入。”这句话真是眼熟
      放诸四海皆准!
    • 真的呢,我的NEXTEL卡本来还有80多分钟,现在只有9分钟了,真恶心,昨天看到新闻,还不太相信,用给国内打了5块多钱就收线了,真是划不来。
    • 我用CICI卡, $5 只能打50分钟,以前好像是100分钟以上的。
      • 那你还是幸运的,算起来只有10分钱一分钟,我的卡本来6分钱一分钟,现在54分钱一分钟了:(
      • 你肯定记错了,CICI以前就是10c/min,现在肯定涨了
        • Sorry I was wrong.........I found I could only talk 16 mins for $5.00 card. :-(((((((
    • 刚打电话去startec,说没涨
    • 没有竞争,你有什么办法?
    • 中国电信真是大小通吃,只要是中国人的钱,你跑到哪里,它都想着法抢你。现在居然还恬着脸说是因为收入下降,为什么会下降?难道仅仅是因为以前没涨接入费吗?还是败家子太多了?
      • 经典的透视力!那么大家都多用网上通话吧!有很多不错的软件呢!消消气消消气啦!
        • 是吗?以前用过Net2phone, 后来取消了,现在有什么网上电话可以打?能给几个网址吗?
          • 不好意思,我是说最新版的QQ之类的,但是不比电话的通话效果差哦!只是不太习惯啦!
          • 可是效果实在是差劲!唉,郁闷~~~
          • msn还不错啦!不过,通话质量在高峰期不太好。:(
            • 请教有关,MSN或NETMEETING的语音聊天的用法.这不无耻的中国电信涨价吗.只好用它了. 1\确定的朋友怎么连接? 2\任意的朋友怎么找到?(应该象OICQ一样.以前的NETMEETING用过现在改2000的了不会用了.)
              • msn可从hotmail主页下载,确定的朋友前提必须是hotmail的用户,不确定的朋友好象不能象oicq那样任意寻找。netmeeting的使用方法同msn大同小异,我不常用的,对不起。
    • I do not like to buy long distance phone calling card. It always has some risk. Now you see.
    • 我刚刚试了--没有涨--希望不是万圣节的鬼笑话
    • 真的张了!
    • I just called Startec, and was told the rate will not be changed. Where came this rumor?!
      • Also now everybody is using VOIP, so the rate should not be affected, unless ChinaTelecom increases the domestic long distance rate.
    • 刚刚试过我的CICI卡,没涨啊.
    • 涨了!
    • 请看 http://tech.sina.com.cn/it/t/2002-11-01/0716147264.shtml
    • 以后华人联系国内家人标准用语
      "我在这很好,你们好吗?"
      "都挺好的,挂了吧!"
      "好吧"
    • 新动向:拟降低电话费加幅 中央下令信产部检讨
    • many long distance company of Canada had increased calling rate to china. I called CALLING CARD, PHONIFY AND SO ON.
    • 现在中国电信已经南北分家,目的也是为了让北部电信经营效益较好的省有一个好的资产组合利于上市,并且改名中国网通,
      南面保留中国电信名称,网通的总裁就是江泽民的儿子江绵恨,这情景看来就是儿子有老子撑腰,啥恶磋事都能干得出来!全中国人的脸都让老江都丢尽了!
    • That's one of the reason we leave our homeland. Too many suck things happen.
    • 我刚打的电话没涨呀,CICI就是10元110分钟
    • 真让人气愤啊!!该死的中国电信!