linda, thank you for your reply, I still have several things want to calrify with you. -whyisme(蝶) @安省华人论坛:安省枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Ontario

相约北美 / 探亲团聚 / 续签被拒了，护照寄走了，我们该怎么办？ -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-23 {551} (#6578188@0)
我们该怎么办？父母等了5年多的移民，上周终于在这里完成了体检，护照也寄往北京了。还没来得及高兴几天，昨天居然收到了探亲延期拒签的信。他们来过多次，从来签证都很顺利，我们的经济状况也绝对没问题，这也是他们第一次试图待超过1年，不知道为何会有这样的结果。

现在不知怎样办才最妥当？给CIC打了电话，每个人说法都不一。有让我们把护照拿回来立刻离开的，也有建议申请RESTORATION的。但是不管如何都得花上一段时间，最担心的是会不会留下不好记录，影响父母移民申请。

大家有谁有过类似经验的吗？可以给些好的建议。（估计也没人遇上过，我们怎么这么倒霉的呢。真让人闹心！）

拒签的理由是什么？如果你父母在这儿还不到一年，我觉得太过分了，可不可以上诉，或找议员。 -robin1(知更鸟); 2011-3-23 (#6578240@0)

robin,我們是用其他ID在同學錄登記的。今天真的是懵掉了，四處打電話求助聞訊，所以請見諒！ -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-23 (#6579390@0)
拒簽沒有specific的理由，只提了以下考慮的因素： -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-23 {409} (#6579403@0)
1. Reason for original entry and reason for requested extension;
2. Ties to country of permanent residence, including:
- employment and study commitments;
- family ties and responsibilities;
- status (citizenship or immigration status);
3. Financial means for the extended stay and return home;
4. Travel and identity documents;
5. Probability to leave Canada at the end of authorized stay.

看到这么多回答，我也学到不少东西，原来restoration是这个意思。希望你restoration成功。如果方便，能告知你登记的ID吗？只是统计一下信息，大家并不知道ID后面具体是谁。 -robin1(知更鸟); 2011-3-29 (#6588865@0)

BTW, 你的FN是什么时候？同学录上没看到你呀。 -robin1(知更鸟); 2011-3-23 (#6578258@0)

很多人是有问题才上来说话的，没问题就不贡献任何自己的信息的，只是过来获取别人的答案。只顾着续签的事情，没空回答你。看到以前没有报告过任何信息的人，我一般看到这样没头没脑突然提问的问题，看到了也当没看到，懒得管那么多。看到以前报告过的ID就多回答几句。 -tracyd(等待明天); 2011-3-23 (#6579354@0)

续签需要护照吗？如果不需要，再重新申请一次续签，我认识一个，他妈在这呆很久了，他也被拒签了好几次，他就继续再交钱再申请，后来人家又给了１年。你现在再把续签交上去，起码等待期间是合法拘留。只好用这办法在这边等他们移民下来了。 -imm123(imm123); 2011-3-23 (#6578264@0)

可以这样呀。真是Good Idea! 现在网上申请，只要一个护照扫描件。 -robin1(知更鸟); 2011-3-23 (#6578275@0)

我没这样干过，听人说的 .也不知道是否可行，但起码不用离境或者要回护照，那样移民又耽误时间了。LZ只有自己决定了 -imm123(imm123); 2011-3-23 (#6578296@0)

前两天看chinasmile论坛上刚有人申述成功的，尝试RESTORATION，可能要2个月时间，至少这两个月合法拘留，而且说不定续成功呢 -keroliuqi(kero); 2011-3-23 (#6578310@0)
如果签证还没有过期，可以再交一个续签申请，这样在等待的时间身份是合法的。如果签证已经过期，但是过期不超过90天，那就只能提交restoration of status，你可以多提交一些材料来证明续签被拒是不合理的，但是在等待的时间里身份是不合法的。 -sanf(三伏); 2011-3-23 (#6578316@0)

吃完午饭回来就看到这么多朋友的回复，很暖心，谢谢大家！ -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-23 {634} (#6578371@0)
签证是去年底到期的，我们按规定提前1个多月递了延期，但CIC现在处理续签要4个半月左右，我在把护照寄往北京之前还给他们打过电话，CIC确认说护照可以寄走，告诉北京申请正在处理中即可。

拒签没有明确理由，只是写了他们考虑的几点因素，事实上我们全都没问题。我也看了关于RESTORATION的规定，关键这90天是如何界定的，网上写的是CASE FINALIZE （我的理解是拒签那天）开始算起，否则我父母的签证也过了90天，也无法申请RESTORATION了。事实上CIC现在处理的时间都是超过90天的，岂不是任何人都没机会RESTORATION了。关于这个，三伏你清楚吗？而且你提到申请RESTORATION期间也属于不合法居留，这就是我们最担心的，

经过5年多的漫长等待，如果移民因此而失败，真是很难接受！

要是我,就在这里等着,很快北京就把护照移民签证邮寄来了,去美加边境登陆就完事了. -elephantsong(双修大笨象); 2011-3-23 (#6579160@0)
如果你是网上申请的续签，一般两个月就能有结果，这样被拒的话就有机会申请restoration了。不管怎样，如果你决定让你父母在这里等，那么就应该马上申请restoration，里面应该详细解释为啥你没有在90天内申请（你可以说移民局处理续签的时间太长了）。 -sanf(三伏); 2011-3-23 {74} (#6579567@0)
你应该逐条的反驳拒签的几个理由。运气好的话，移民局就会推翻前面拒签的决定。

90天指的是拒签决定作出的90天内，不是指的原来签证过期的90天内。另外等待restoration of status的期间都是合法居留。这两点是我打电话跟cic的agent确认过的。我也这样做了，后来恢复状态成功。 -carolhu(晒太阳的大花猫); 2011-3-25 (#6581457@0)

晒太阳的大花猫，你是只付了200，还是275，我今天问CIC，那人也不是很SURE。另外，你申请RESTORATION写啥特别的理由了吗？我在犹豫要不要告诉他们我们的移民正在FINALIZE中，护照寄走了。关于申请期间是否是合法居留，CIC只是说只要申请的理由是真实的，那就没有任何ISSUE。 -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-25 (#6582743@0)

交200元。我觉得你应该跟他们说移民的事儿，我发现我每次只要说递交了担保申请，不会非法居留在这里，就一定能拿到签证。被拒签的那次是忘记说担保移民的事儿了。 -carolhu(晒太阳的大花猫); 2011-3-27 (#6585002@0)

晒太阳的大花猫, I sent you a PM. could you pls take a look. Thx! -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-29 (#6589848@0)

file restoration right away, $200 extra per person, ASAP. When CPC-Vegreville processes this request/application, and IF PARENTS HAVE LANDED, they will refund all fees paid. -linda355(信天游); 2011-3-23 (#6578748@0)

Out of status? -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-23 {255} (#6578976@0)
linda, you mentioned $200 extra, does that mean the total cost is $275 per person? Also, am I still qualified for the 90 days reqirement? During the processing period for restoration, are my parents still out of status? Will that affect their immigration?

I am not sure if they are now out-of-status (over stayed) as I don't know when their visitor records had expired. restoration can be done winthin 90 days from the expiry day or from the refusal. -linda355(信天游); 2011-3-24 {602} (#6579448@0)
My understanding is they applied for extension but now were refused and I guess in the refusal letter, CPC-V does not ask them to leave in 30 days. This is NOT a "departure order", nor "deportation order".

I believe it will not affect their immigration application. CIC's own system has all the information for every office to share. I guess the officer at CPC_V who made the decision on the extension has not checked it thoroughly.

Actually CIC will never know when a person leaves Canada, unless s/he reports to CIC (not check-in counter) at the airport before boarding.

Good luck.

linda, thank you for your reply, I still have several things want to calrify with you. -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-23 {545} (#6579485@0)
1. My parents' visa exipired in early Dec 2010, according to you, they past the 90days for resotration already. But I called CIC today, they said the 90 days were counted from the rejection. Are you clear about this?

2. CIC told me beijing office can check our status in the system, since they have my parents' passport in hand, there is no record for leaving canada after the rejection date. Even though we applied for restoration, will this be treated as illeagal stay? That's why I worry this issue will affect the immigration decision.

My answers: -linda355(信天游); 2011-3-24 {816} (#6579964@0)
1. They are still eligible for restoration as per Immi and Refugee Protection Regulations - R182 (90days from the decision);

2. Well technically true that BJ knows your parents are still remaining in Canada as it has their passports! But passports probably had been requested by BJ earlier than CPC-V made that decision, which BJ is able to verify from its own system (CAIPS) anytime they want.

So at this point, my suggestion: first, contact BJ to push them issue visas ASAP due to this refusal ( I don’t know when you sent the passport to BJ and when the medicals were done); meanwhile they may wait for another two months or so to see if anything form BJ, then apply for restoration. Yes, $200 + $75 per person. But they will refund if parents get landed at time of decision at Vegreville.

Good luck.

linda, I checked CIC website yesterday too. I remembered it mentioned the restoration fee is $200, and $75 is included. But I can't find the Rules right now. Anyway, thank you for all your reply. -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-24 (#6580114@0)

你申请延期的理由是什么？是等待移民签证吗？ -chenjimlong(jim); 2011-3-23 (#6579362@0)
可以试着找律师。我一老外同事，父母已被下达驱逐令，后找律师，居留至移民成功。 -chenjimlong(jim); 2011-3-23 (#6579369@0)

驱逐令同拒簽信是兩回事吧？多久后會發驱逐令呢？申請了restoration是不是就可以留到申請結束了呢？真是很煩，不知是走是留的好。 -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-23 (#6579410@0)

先搞清楚收到这封信以后需要多少时间离开加拿大？还有，马上申请restoration，延长父母呆在这里的时间。实在不行超过90天，就赖在这里等护照下来，直接大瀑布登陆。除非你移民被拒了，才有后面的麻烦，如果LP拿到了，根本不用但是探亲过期不过期的问题。 -tracyd(等待明天); 2011-3-24 {162} (#6579865@0)
加拿大探亲过期又不是啥大不了的事情，又不是递解出境，不用担心。我还看到有人说探亲过期自动回去的，下一次签证都签出来，一点问题都没有，何况你父母移民马上就要下来了。
tracyd, 谢谢回复，其实唯一担心的只是移民而已。这两天收集了一些相关信息，也和大家分享一下。不过但愿大家都用不上! -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-24 {344} (#6580209@0)
1. RESTORATION的90天LIMIT 是从你的申请被拒那天算起。（CIC CONFIRMED）
2. 申请RESTORATION，必须提供新的理由和证据，否则结果相同。
3. 大家延期申请的理由填写时须谨慎，我今天又同CIC联系，这个AGENT不错，帮我查了拒签的原因。因为去年申请时才10月，我就写了为了过圣诞和中国新年。现在３月份才受理，理由是我当初申请的原因已不成立，节日都结束了，所以拒了

前两项我没有经验，但第3项。。。我家和你情况差不多，去年10月28号递交的延期申请，理由我也填的“过圣诞和中国新年”。3月初的时候，批了，延到6月。而且，老人都70多了也没要求体检，我估计2月初他们的移民体检那边都认可了。 -myangie(飘); 2011-3-25 (#6581566@0)

说一个我听到的. 朋友父母已经移民体检, 护照寄北京了, 他同时又给他父母申请探亲延期, 没想到CIC把申请表和付款都退回了,说他父母这种情况不需要申请延期, 直接等移民签证即可. -dianhua(taideng); 2011-3-25 (#6581859@0)

dianhua,你朋友的父母签证是否到期了呢？如果真的这样的话，是不是说探亲签证的问题不会影响移民申请？ -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-25 (#6582639@0)

所以现在看来只能是 CASE BY CASE，别人申请成功的原因也许就会是你被拒的理由。CIC告诉我在这里等移民不能是我父母申请延期的理由， VISITOR半年就该离开。 -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-25 (#6582567@0)

只能说你碰到了一个RUDE 的CIC 人, 重现打电话试试, 不能总点背吧. 我父母每次探亲都是延两次,每次半年, 理由等移民加看孩子, 我听到的最长一个是,他父母2006探亲来了再没回去过, 总是延期还总能批, 具体理由我不知道,但是知道他父母最近刚移民体检过, -dianhua(taideng); 2011-3-25 (#6582884@0)
Did u said ur parents' passport already mailed to Beijing Canada embassy? -wince(carpe diem); 2011-3-27 (#6585272@0)

yes, the passports have been mailed out. -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-27 (#6585873@0)

人家问你申请延期有没有说护照已经寄到北京使馆呢, 你回答已经寄走了了啥意思? -akoei(停车**枫林晚); 2011-3-29 (#6589246@0)

sorry, I misunderstood the question. -whyisme(蝶); 2011-3-29 {260} (#6589289@0)
Actually the passport was mailed out just couple of days before we got the rejection letter. I didn't metion my parents were applying for immigration when appying for extention. But I did tell CIC the passport was mailed out after we got the rejection letter.

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linda, thank you for your reply, I still have several things want to calrify with you.

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