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现在正好是肯尼在思考新的移民政策的时候,我们应该集思广益:(这个帖讨论大家看法,先我的个人看法)

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Recently I heard Kenny is going to implement new policy for parents and grandparents immigration, here are my concerns:
1. Because the current processing speed vary among different Visa Offices as a result some Visa Offices already Issue Visas for applications received in 2010 Q2 or Q3. It is extremely unfair if the new policy apply against applicants received in local office in 2008, 2009 and first half of 2010.
2. Age shall not be a criteria, we don’t see why a 70 years old wife should have lower priority then a 30 years old husband, while doing family class immigration.
3. Since CIC doing the family class depends on the “CLOSE” relation between sponsors and applicants. We strongly believe that for applicants who’s all children in Canada has more “CLOSE” relation than applicants who’s 1/3 child in Canada. This is considered as an important factor widely used in common wealth countries for parents immigration like Australia, New Zealand, etc.
4. Raising income Requirement can only be applied to the new parents immigration applications, because when someone submitted in 2008 to Mississauga CIC has locked down their income requirement.
5. If some funds are required for new applications for parents and grandparents immigration CIC should give some discount for people already waited in line. For example if every parent required to pay 50,000, if you already waited for 3 years, you should only pay 35,000 etc.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 相约北美 / 探亲团聚 / 现在正好是肯尼在思考新的移民政策的时候,我们应该集思广益:(这个帖讨论大家看法,先我的个人看法)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Recently I heard Kenny is going to implement new policy for parents and grandparents immigration, here are my concerns:
    1. Because the current processing speed vary among different Visa Offices as a result some Visa Offices already Issue Visas for applications received in 2010 Q2 or Q3. It is extremely unfair if the new policy apply against applicants received in local office in 2008, 2009 and first half of 2010.
    2. Age shall not be a criteria, we don’t see why a 70 years old wife should have lower priority then a 30 years old husband, while doing family class immigration.
    3. Since CIC doing the family class depends on the “CLOSE” relation between sponsors and applicants. We strongly believe that for applicants who’s all children in Canada has more “CLOSE” relation than applicants who’s 1/3 child in Canada. This is considered as an important factor widely used in common wealth countries for parents immigration like Australia, New Zealand, etc.
    4. Raising income Requirement can only be applied to the new parents immigration applications, because when someone submitted in 2008 to Mississauga CIC has locked down their income requirement.
    5. If some funds are required for new applications for parents and grandparents immigration CIC should give some discount for people already waited in line. For example if every parent required to pay 50,000, if you already waited for 3 years, you should only pay 35,000 etc.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 请大家发言,如果我们现在不发言,那么肯尼说十么就是十么了。现在我们想了,至少能稍微左右一下肯尼的想法。
      • 原文在这里:移民部正考虑比照过去加速处理技术移民的C50法案,加快处理父母/祖父母团聚申请的积压案件。
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛联邦移民部长康尼(Jason Kenney)重申,今年本国接纳的整体家庭团聚名额会增加,但父母/祖父母团聚名额则减少。他同时透露,移民部正考虑比照过去加速处理技术移民的C50法案,加快处理父母/祖父母团聚申请的积压案件。

        康尼周五在一项电话会议中,向媒体说明,他今年提交国会的家庭团聚类别移民目标名额是6.55万人,较去年的6.3万人多2,500人,说明反对党及部分媒体报道不正确。他说:「我们不是削减家庭类移民,这个指控是不真实的。相反地,政府实际上是增加2011年家庭类别移民。」

        他强调,根据《移民法》,移民部有义务优先处理配偶和子女的FC1家庭团聚类别。今年计划接收此类别多达4.8万个目标名额,较去年4.5个,增加了3,000个。至于父母/祖父母FC4家庭团聚名额,则确实由去年最高1.8万个减少到今年的1.75万个,仅减少了500个。

        康尼强调,反对党建议敞开移民大门,让所有长者没有限制移民加拿大,是完全不负责任的,因为长者比年轻移民,负担的医疗保健和社会福利成本高出许多。他指,自由党政府2002年通过的《移民法》,家庭团聚的优先对象就是配偶和子女,非父母和祖父母。

        康尼坦承,人们对父母/祖父母团聚长时间轮候感到沮丧,就像当年技术移民大量积压一样。但移民部在2008年通过C50法案后,将积压案件大幅减少了30万到40万件。估计过去2年,减少40%的积压。因此,他周四向国会移民事务委员会建议,是否可按相同方式处理父母/祖父母积压案件。

        他说:「我们可设定一些标准,例如申请人的财政能力,或者年龄之类,这样我们可以限制申请数目,增加处理数量,从而缩短处理时间。」康尼表示理解移民想要同他们的父母和祖父母团聚。但当他们选择移民,就选择离开他们的父母和祖父母。这是移民自己做的选择,而不是政府。康尼强调,他们当然可以回原居地探访父母和祖父母,也可为他们申请签证来加探亲。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • 所谓C-50移民修改法案(或简称“2/27新政”)是指赋予移民部长特殊权力,对于2008年2月27日后递表的技术移民案例,移民部长将有权指示移民局优先处理加拿大紧缺职业的申请人,并且决定不同类别的处理程序和数量。
          关键在这句话:
          “并且决定不同类别的处理程序和数量。”


          如何处理新政人数和旧政人数的比例问题,旧政只有11200人了,如果有了新政那么就会只有更少的人数。
        • 我同意康尼说的让所有长者没有限制移民加拿大,是完全不负责任的。也同意他家庭团聚的优先对象是配偶和子女。我也同意他提高收入标准,来限制申请数目,增加处理数量,从而缩短处理时间。
          现行的收入要求太低,担保人刚够自己温饱就够格,担保人应该为加拿大做出更大点的贡献。“选择移民,就选择离开他们的父母和祖父母“让我愤怒。同意dulululu,不要把年龄作为限制条件。同意dulululu,公平的对待所有国家的父母移民。反对dulululu建议的缴纳保证金,我不想做二等公民。在这个国家里,我的价值观也应该得到 尊重和保护。
          • 更客观的应该是看那个人或者那个人的家庭累计给加拿大缴的税。还有,有一些人申请完了父母移民,或者甚至还未申请完成就已经去了美国,给美国做贡献了,把父母扔在加拿大享受医疗和福利。虽然他们以前有高收入,但是他们对加拿大现在和将来都没有贡献,对这种人应该清理。
            • 如果我有机会见康尼或Oliva也会说这点的:参考省提名,如果不去提名省报道会被遣返。
              那么父母移民如果移民后5年内去中国或美国工作了,是否也参考省提名,遣返呢?
              • 这些人一开始看上去很好交税,等人弄进来了以后就自己弄钱去了,根本对加拿大不做贡献。加拿大依然需要支付他们父母以及他们自己将来的医疗费用。我觉得他们是第一个需要被踢出去的,然后才是低收入的。低收入就是低tax,贡献少。否则实在不公平,就犹如假结婚一样的性质。
                • 在本论坛非常活跃的某人就声称过:等办好以后就离开加拿大,直到退休了再回来享受福利。
                  • 还有这种回流的,弄孩子过来读书的,但是却在为香港或者中国作贡献。这些人大部分都不在加拿大缴税的,却弄老婆过来生孩子,等孩子长大以后来读书。加拿大对这种人不立法限制,却对其子女正在不断缴税人的父母移民这件事上那么苛刻,实在不公。
                    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛30万加人居香港 逾35%称不考虑回加国定居

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                    估计香港居住了近30万加国公民,相当于加国第16大城市。(网上图片)

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                    一份由加拿大亚太基金会与香港浸会大学合作的调查报告,显示目前有大约30万名加拿大人在香港居住,让香港拥有相等于「加国第16大城市」的人口规模。近30%的受访者称自己或子女正在加国读书,超过35%居住在香港的加国公民,从不认为加拿大是自己的家,更称不会考虑回到加国定居;但亦有21%的人称经常都想回到加国。另外,有青少年辅导员指若独留子女在加国读书,可能会因为「无王管」出问题,甚至有学生因此染上毒瘾及涉及伤人案,最后读书不成而离去或潜逃。(详见另稿) 加 拿 大 家 园 网

                    这份报告的共同作者张康清表示,由于香港与加拿大的关係非常密切,因此坊间常在推测香港到底有多少加拿大人,因此才有了这份较为科学性的统计报告。他认为藉更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
                    • 说的好,同意这个观点。
            • 是啊,对这些担保人我同意每年收点钱,来保证他们的父母继续有免费的医疗服务。
          • 我也同意他提高收入标准,来限制申请数目,增加处理数量,从而缩短处理时间。 他有这么说吗?
            • 根据Tracy上面给的中文LINK,他这么说的。还没找英文来源来证实。
            • 问题是他是想限制已经在系统里的15万人,还是未来要投父母移民的人?
              • 要限制也只能限制未来的,移民部绝对不会吃2001年那次技术移民的错误,再来一次集体诉讼,都要来怎么办?现在他们就是拖,拖到成灰你奈他何?
                • 但是旧的配额已经只有11200,再来个新方案,至少减一半,原来的队就只有6000了,等13年变等26年。
                  即使有人走新队,但也不减少总人数,如何实现缩短处理时间?
                  • 所以新方案会害死已经等的人!
                • 看看这个吧,我们的邹议员已经为我们说话了:Critics claim Conservatives’ immigration policies ignore needs of families
                  本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Canada admitted the highest number of immigrants in more than 50 years in 2010, but critics claim the government’s policies are too focused on economics, leaving families by the wayside.

                  Immigration Minister Jason Kenney released 2010 figures Sunday showing Canada admitted 280,636 permanent residents.

                  “While other Western countries cut back on immigration during the recession, our government kept legal immigration levels high. Canada’s post-recession economy demands a high level of economic immigration to keep our economy strong,” Kenney said in a statement.

                  The minister said the high number of immigrants admitted last year will help the Canadian economy meet its labour market needs, but critics claim that plan comes at a cost to families waiting to be reunited.

                  Government documents suggest the Conservatives intend to reduce the annual quota of reunification visas to 11,000 this year, down from over 15,000 in 2010.

                  Kenney said it’s a necessary move to ensure priority applicants are processed first.

                  Citing documents obtained through Access to Information, the NDP says there are 147,769 people waiting for their reunification visa applications to be processed. The party also claims the government is accepting millions of dollars in fees from new Canadians without processing their papers.

                  “Immigrants in the application queue are waiting longer than ever before to be reunited with their spouses, parents or children in Canada,” NDP Immigration Critic Olivia Chow said in a statement Monday. “I’m asking Jason Kenney to show some compassion and some heart, and do something to shorten the processing times.”

                  The NDP also said that under the Conservatives' immigration policy, new immigration targets cut sponsored admissions from African, Asian, Middle Eastern and South American nations by 90 per cent or more. Government documents suggest only five applications will be processed in some large countries. The government quota has reportedly been increased for sponsorship applications filed at the Beijing visa office.

                  “Clearly, the Conservatives have implemented a discrimination policy, based on race and age, in certain countries and no longer abide by the ‘first come, first serve’ rule when processing applications,” Chow said. “When it takes longer than eight years to bring your parents from Beijing to Canada, there is something seriously wrong with our immigration system”.

                  The Liberals have also accused the Conservatives of misleading immigrants.

                  “The government has not been up front with new Canadians,” Liberal Immigration Critic Justin Trudeau said Monday. “They enticed skilled workers to come to Canada with a promise their parents and grandparents will soon be able to follow. They’ve cut funding for the settlement services that provide supports, and now they’re cutting the family support system along with it.”

                  The Liberals estimate a parent may have to wait up to 13 years to be reunited with their family.

                  The Conservatives say spouses and children are a top priority for reunification visas. Parents and grandparents can visit loved ones on multiple-entry visas until the applications are processed.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
                  • Justin Trudeau is not bad either, real Trudeau's son. Bravo to Justin and Olivia
            • 同意提高担保人的收入标准,也可以不要养老金,本来就不是冲这个来的,但是需要医疗,毕竟老人年龄大了。
    • 实际上这件事很简单,加拿大实行凡是放弃移民的父母,自动获得免签证待遇,相当于放弃加拿大的养老金。估计很多人又该大叫大喊不公平了,因为父母移民的目的就是养老金,团聚才是次要的
      • 我觉得可以,有些人就是为了来去自如;他们自动退出也是对15万人有利的。
        • 但是还想继续办父母移民的人,继续排队。
      • you are so wrong. or it might apply to your case only.
    • 建议不要提最后一点,否则政府就找到了收费的借口, 担保者们又失去了以后批评收费移民政策的理由. 还会派生出很多别的issues.
    • -dululu,我个人认为,考虑华人的力量,我们就抗争公平公正足也,他移民部长也不反对我们.我们利用这策略让别的族裔快不了,其他问题让他们去干,我们跟着走走凑人数就好了.你想组织华人干什么大事是不可能的.
      • 举脚赞成。民主就是要保障大多数人的利益,我们就是要把自己的利益变成大多数人的利益,把我们的困境变成大多数人的困境,那么政府和政策就会向我们倾斜,目的就达到了。至于怎么才能把们的利益变成大多数人的利益,就看大家的集思广益了,这 就是政治。
    • 我感觉不能让移民部长来决定优先顺序,否则会对我们更不利。请问这15万是不是指担保通过,正式办理移民的?