ask them, a case submitted to Mississuga in 2005 and then forward to Beijing VO in 2007 and another case submiited to Mississuga in 2007 and then forward to Hongkong VO in 2009, which case shall be process first? -dulululu(dulululu) @安省华人论坛:安省枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Ontario

相约北美 / 探亲团聚 / 我给我们区的MP写了一个邮件抱怨北京父母团聚处理速度比香港和新加坡慢很多，MP把我的邮件转给了移民部长，今天收到他们的回信，大家帮我看看我应该怎么回这个邮件。 -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-25 {1783} (#5906534@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Dear Ms. XXXXX:

The office of Mr. Mike Lake has kindly forwarded to the Honourable Jason Kenney, Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism, a copy of your email of February 18, 2010, concerning the processing time for your parents’ immigration application in Beijing.

I appreciate your desire to have your parents immigrate to Canada. Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) is committed to improving client service and ensuring that applications can be processed in a timely manner. Persons wishing to come to Canada as visitors or immigrants are selected by a process that does not discriminate on the grounds of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion or sex. The principle of non-discrimination is part of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, and is consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It also reflects Canada’s tradition of fairness and natural justice and our nation’s multicultural character. Our visa officials abroad are well trained in the assessment and processing of all immigrant and visitor applications. Their decisions are governed by Canadian immigration legislation.

The length of processing time varies depending on the location of the visa office where the application is being processed. Current processing times vary from office to office primarily due to the volumes those offices received in previous years, and due to the differing pressures between offices to meet other priorities. CIC will make every effort to ensure that priority is given to those applications received first, wherever they are in the world.

While I realize that this situation is distressing to you, I trust that the information provided is of assistance.

S.Charbonneau
Ministerial Enquiries Division更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

昨天我给richard和Nick的信中指出三点： -dulululu(dulululu); 2010-2-25 {1584} (#5906564@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. Chinese citizen submitting other categories immigration cases can choose Beijing VO and Hongkong VO by their own willing, thus the processing time will be balanced automatically. Because the backlog of each Visa Office is known to public, so people will select VO which has fewer backlogs. We don't understand why family reunion category make it so special that only four provinces and two special regions can submit to Hongkong VO while rest of people in China only can submit to Beijing.

2. Spousal and partner immigration category also has the same region distribution as parents and grandparents immigration, but unlike parents’ immigration, the spousal and partner immigration doesn't have so big difference, currently Beijing on average only can process 3 months backlog cases, while Hongkong can process more backlogs. So obviously CIC knows how to balance quotes for spousal and partner immigration between Beijing and Hongkong, but they just do not want to do the same thing for parents and grandparents cases.

3. There is no problem for other Visa Offices to help process the cases in Beijing. Like Chinese citizen lived in US or Canada for 1 year can submit their cases to US VO and their cases will be finished within one year. So obviously CIC local offices knows how to process cases in remote region, I mean a guy lived in China for 65 years but only lived in Canada for 1 year, CIC knows how to gather information about the person's history. So obviously with proper instruction CIC can distribute Visa Office with heavy backlogs to Visa Office with less.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

This is the email I sent out -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-25 {2608} (#5906656@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Dear Mr. Kenney,
.....

My parents have submitted their immigration application to Canada Beijing Visa office at Mar.31, 2008. Unfortunately, after 2 years, their application status is still “Waiting for process” and from the information I found today from Beijing Visa Office website, there might be another 2, 3 years waiting time for their application get processed because it looks like Beijing office only processes 3 months inventory cases each year.

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/china-chine/visas/beijing-pekin/processing_times-temps_traitement.aspx?lang=eng#a2

My parents live in Chongqing City, which is located at south west of China. Based on the regulation, Beijing Visa office is the pointed visa office for this region so they don’t have other choice. But for those applicants, who live in south of china and submitted their application to HK Visa office at September,2009, they have received medical exam form already. For Vietnamese, who submitted their application to Singapore Visa office at March, 2009, they also received the medical exam form already.

I understand Canadian government doesn’t like our parents come over as they cannot contribute to Canada. I just don’t understand why the waiting time is such a huge difference between different offices. Even within China, just because the applicants live in different regions and their waiting time is couple years difference. This is ridiculous.

My husband and me never claimed any funding or subsidy from the government. We contribute couple 10 thousands tax each year to the government, no less than those sponsors who came from South China or Vietnam. We have the ability to provide good quality of daily life for my parents. If I can, I would like to swear to give up all the benefits from government in order to get them come over earlier as immigrants.

At the day one I submitted the sponsorship application(December,2005), I know there would be a long waiting but I wasn’t expecting so long. I didn’t complain anything as I know I am not strong enough to change anything. The motivation for me to write this email is that when I told my parents that I plan to put a bedroom and a shower on the main floor in the house that I am building, my dad told me: don’t waste those money, we might not get the visa before I die. This really made me upset as my both of my parents don’t have any old age diseases and they are thinking their death will come faster than their immigrant visa.

Dear Mr. Kenney, would you be able to tell me: will my parents die before they get their immigrant visa?更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

I will send a similar email to the MP in my area too.. -veronicacan(vera); 2010-2-25 {747} (#5907328@0)
my parents' FN is aug/2008, later than yours. In 2008 I got an email from beijing embassy stating their file will be processed sometime in 2010, but now it seems impossible. Like your parents, mine live in chengdu, kind of the earthquake centre in 2008. CIC had a policy to speed up the applications from sichuan province right after the earthquake, however even though mississauga centre did speed up, unfortunately beijing office simply ignored it.

after reading your email, I realized the reply you got from cic is cold and ignorant. they just repeated whatever they may have said 1000 times, and didn't even bother to answer the specific questions in your mail.

hate those basterd... we've got to do something before it's too late.
Thanks very much - I will do the same too. I believe if more people send strong mail to them, they would consider... Thanks again. -boxhead(赫); 2010-2-25 (#5907748@0)
上班，下班.你的信真感人，看的我都落泪了。如果CIC那伙人看了之后还无动于衷，他们就真不是人！可是最有可能的是他们根本就不会看完就copy＋paste他们重复一千遍的谎言。建议把最后一句话也copy在email之前。 -byly(好好学习); 2010-2-26 (#5908070@0)
还有能不能share一下你的第一封给MP的信。我曾经给MP寄过信，但没什么反应。我也想email。 -byly(好好学习); 2010-2-26 (#5908079@0)

其实我并没有想过要抱怨什么，我总觉得我一个平头老百姓不能改变什么。刺激我的是我爸爸那句话，还有就是我的同事，越南小姑娘，她告诉我她的朋友交新加坡，09年三月的，收到体检表了。 -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-26 (#5908356@0)

贴一下你的第一封信吧，如果你不介意的话。谢谢。 -byly(好好学习); 2010-2-26 (#5908374@0)

我再看了看，我贴错了邮件，第一封邮件给MP,内容跟这个一样 -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-26 {3148} (#5908388@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Dear Mr. Lake,

My name is XXXX. I am a Canadian citizen living in XXXXXXX, Edmonton, and currently working for XXXXXXXXXX. I found your information from the internet.

I am writing this email to complain Immigration Canada for their unfairly treat applicants all over the world. Please forward this email to the immigration office manager.

My parents live in Chongqing City, which is located in the south west of China and they have submitted their immigration application to Canada Visa Office in Beijing, China at Mar.31, 2008. After almost 2 years, their application status is still “Waiting for process”. Based on the information from internet, Beijing Visa office is sending Medical Exam forms to those applicants who submitted their application at 2007, September. And there will be couple months waiting after they pass the medical exam.

But for those applicants, who live in south of china and submitted their application to HK Visa office at September,2009, they have received medical exam form already. For Vietnamese, who submitted their application to Singapore Visa office at March, 2009, they also received the medical exam form already.

I was told that Beijing Visa office only process 2.5 months inventory cases in the year of 2009.

I just don’t understand why the waiting time is such a huge difference between different offices. Even within China, just because the applicants live in different regions their waiting time is 2 years difference, that’s ridiculous.

I understand Canadian government doesn’t like our parents come over as they cannot contribute to Canada. But why don’t they increase the financial bottom line for the sponsors to avoid parents come over to Canada to enjoy the low income benefits? I strongly believe that sponsors should provide over than average living standard for their parents. And old age security should be totally cut off for those people who never paid one penny tax to Canada.

The reason I want them to become an immigrants is that it is much easier for them to come over to visit me when they want to. During the past 5 years, they have visited me twice as visitors and I already took them to the very east and very west points of Canada. But every time, both me and my parents had to prepare whole bunch documentations, got rude treated by the visa center staffs, travel to other city to get medical exam and of course, paid unreasonable expensive extra fees beside application fee.

At the day one I submitted the sponsorship application(December,2005), I know there would be a long waiting but I wasn’t expecting so long. I didn’t complain anything as I know I am not strong enough to change anything. The motivation for me to write this email is that when I told my parents that I plan to put a bedroom and a shower on the main floor in the house that I am building last night, my dad told me: don’t waste those money, we might not get the visa before I die. This really made me upset as my parents don’t have any old age diseases and they are thinking their death will be coming faster than the immigrant visa.

Please response and thank you.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
半个小时内MP就给我回了信,可能他正在电脑前，呵呵 -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-26 {634} (#5908395@0)
Dear Ms. XXX,

Thank you for your e-mail regarding wait time for immigration. Mr. Lake appreciates you taking the time to bring your views to his attention.

The responsibility for the matter you raise falls within the purview of the Honourable Jason Kenney, Minister of Citizenship and Immigration. Mike has asked me to forward a copy of your e-mail to the Minister for his consideration and we have done so, with a request that he respond directly to you regarding your concerns.

Please don't hesitate to contact the office again if you have any further questions.

Sincerely,

Sabrina Hewitt
Constituency Assistant

那是办公室秘书回复的吧 -elephantsong(双修大笨象); 2010-2-26 (#5909952@0)

是啊，这些MP亲自回邮的可能性基本上为零，移民部给我的回信也不是移民部长回的 -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-26 (#5910114@0)

在收到上面移民部长的回信之前，看到网上北京2010只处理到2007年10月的，义愤填膺，把给MP的信改了改，直接给移民部长了，就是上面那个。刚把信发出，就收到顶楼那个邮件。 -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-26 (#5908405@0)

谢谢你。我已经发信给MP了。 -byly(好好学习); 2010-2-26 (#5908544@0)
移民部长的email是什么？我也想发 -veronicacan(vera); 2010-2-26 (#5908707@0)

就在上面#5906656@0 -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-26 (#5909718@0)

我不在多伦多，不能参加任何你们组织的活动，身边没有一个中国人申请父母移民，唯一一个还是越南人，我们夫妻收入是他们夫妻的2倍，他们夫妻一共担保父母兄弟姐妹一共11人，11人呐，加上他们一家3口，他俩的收入养得活吗？ -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-26 {286} (#5908431@0)
还不是要我们来养。我比他们先递申请，他们的家人可能比我的家人先拿到签证。其实我并没有把父母移民看得很重要，因为我还有妹妹在国内，父母在国内生活也很好，给他们移民的目的也就是想来的时候方便些因为重庆是没有体检医院的，要到成都去，很麻烦。我只是觉得移民局没有公正地对待每一个申请人。心里不平

很好奇怎么能担保来十一个人，不是只能担保父母和祖父母吗？兄弟姐妹是怎么担保来的？怎么咱们就做不到呢？ -chf(海的女儿); 2010-2-26 (#5908740@0)

给你讲讲这个故事吧 -boer_ioi(上班，下班); 2010-2-26 {436} (#5909714@0)
男的5岁的时候，被逃难的叔叔顺手拉走，难民到了加拿大，大学毕业后回去越南和刚高中毕业的妻子结婚后，后妻子团聚移民来到加拿大。男的有父母及未成年兄弟姐妹4人，共六人，移民申请2008年9月到新加坡。妻子有父母及未成年兄弟姐妹3人，共5人。由于双方担保的人数太多，夫妻没有互相co-sign.妻子开始收入达不到要求所以等到08年7月收入达到要求才把担保申请交米西沙家。目前还在等担保结果。他们自己一家目前三口，所以，他们两人工作，负担的是14张口的吃喝，可能吗？

担保收入要求太低,这也是个大问题. -elephantsong(双修大笨象); 2010-2-26 (#5909958@0)

ask them, a case submitted to Mississuga in 2005 and then forward to Beijing VO in 2007 and another case submiited to Mississuga in 2007 and then forward to Hongkong VO in 2009, which case shall be process first? -dulululu(dulululu); 2010-2-25 {1425} (#5906627@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛According to them "CIC will make every effort to ensure that priority is given to those pplications received first, wherever they are in the world."
Seems the first case shall be process first.

In real world they failed to do this: according to them based on two reasons:
1. due to the volumes those offices received in previous years,
2. and due to the differing pressures between offices to meet other priorities.

1. if Beijing Visa offices alreay has a huge backlog, they should get more quotes each year until the backlog clear to an average world level(based on submitting time), this is what CIC can control every year, but they failed to do so, now Beijing only get 1000 quotes each year.

2. This is basically means they claimed that they do not have enough Visa Officers in Beijing, but this is also a CIC is problem. they should send more VOs to beijing to clear the backlog. or what they also can do is allow people transfer their case from Beijing to Hongkong, I think hongkong VOs has no problem to access required informations for applicants from other provinces. When case transfered, the hongkong VO should stop processing applicantion recived in 2009 and processing cases forwarded from Beijing which submitted in 2007 only. Because according to their principle: "CIC will make every effort to ensure that priority is given to those pplications received first, wherever they are in the world."更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

CIC提出了一个冠冕堂皇的原则，和两个借口。所以就要用他自己的“原则”击破他的两个借口。核心草稿如上，现在要找个英语好的人润色。 -dulululu(dulululu); 2010-2-25 (#5906633@0)

没想到大家问的问题都是这么尖锐，我看到“上班，下班”的信，眼眶不禁湿润，最后的一段话问得让人心酸，我想到了我自己的父母，我实在是痛苦万分，不知何时才能尽到孝道。感谢各位的努力！！！ -lovevictory(Ilovevictory); 2010-2-25 (#5907087@0)

是不是应该号召大家都给自己的MP 或者MPP写封信? -wxnyc(dongdong); 2010-2-25 (#5907214@0)

I think that's a good idea... -veronicacan(vera); 2010-2-25 (#5907331@0)

每一个case的被审批的人应受到平等的对待。让MP转问移民部长，是不是我也让自己的父母到加拿大来住一年，这样会不会帮助他们解决北京的问题，或者，转自己的case去香港，香港是中国的一部分，既然北京配额这么少，”效率这么低“，让香港帮帮北京吧。 -lovevictory(Ilovevictory); 2010-2-25 (#5907459@0)

还有，我交的税比有些越南人，新加坡人多的多，为什么政府对我的愿望，中国人的尽孝的传统置之不理，这是不是discrimination. 不是你口头教条说没有discrimination, 要讲fact。 -lovevictory(Ilovevictory); 2010-2-25 (#5907485@0)

支持!这就是discrimination!难道材料递北京的父母和其它地方的父母有何不同吗?这是一种绝对不公平的对待,我们不能再沉默了!支持游行和各种可能解决问题的方式!其实都不用把北京的case转香港,就从香港划一些配额给北京也可以啊 -smilefriend(urfriend); 2010-2-25 (#5907508@0)

没用的，写过很多没用的，还是准备游行吧。 -dulululu(dulululu); 2010-2-25 (#5907647@0)

同意!同意!同意! -boxhead(赫); 2010-2-25 (#5907756@0)

顶 -happyy(简单生活); 2010-2-25 (#5907659@0)
上班下班，看了你的信我很感动，我父母是07年11月递北京的，现在还没有任何消息。我也想给移民部长发EMAIL。请告诉我他的EMAIL地址。谢谢。 -chabinhong(chabinhong); 2010-2-27 (#5910976@0)
我上周给北京领馆写信询问进度，因为他们以前说我父母的申请（2008年8月递交的）会在2010年开始，得到的回复跟你得到的一模一样，每个字都一样。他们有模版了，随便谁来问，就copy and paste 了事。真是可恨。 -veronicacan(vera); 2010-3-1 (#5915645@0)

我父母的申请时间同你父母的差不多。 -mustache(mustache); 2010-3-2 (#5917090@0)

@Ontario

ask them, a case submitted to Mississuga in 2005 and then forward to Beijing VO in 2007 and another case submiited to Mississuga in 2007 and then forward to Hongkong VO in 2009, which case shall be process first?

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