Don't just give idealogical concepts, what are your detailed action plan? Call Bin Laden to surrender? Bush's mistake is trying to change Iraq and Afgan into democratic countries, the 'Japan of middle east' as he said. Now we realize this is impossible, those people are hopeless and can't be changed. That's what Haper's comments really means. But the wars have achieved the results of seriously weakening or eliminating terrorist operations in these countries. Al Qaeda and many other groups can no longer use these nations as the launching pad of more attacks against us. Without the wars, we probably have already seen 1,2 or many 911s on North American soil. For that, Bush still deserve the credit. And Obama is right to keep significant US troops in both countries for a long time.