i mention the '...Mars' is only for the topic of 'blowing' money, it is not about 'moving people'...

buhello(happy your life)

i think when we are talking about one topic, it isnot a good style to mix it with some other topics.
about 'moving people', i think what LUJ said above is quite right.
for if the SanXia is good or not, i only trust the experts who went to there by themselves and studied there for years. and i donot think it can be made clear by us.(at least i think my knowledge is not enough)
i think the news from newspapers, views from politicians and foreign companies are not believable.
like the water purifing system of Toronto, it is usful, but many immigrants died for that. and the beautiful gate is usless, it is just for showing the power of somebody.
politics and the target of only-for-making-money are ugly. that is why we have a lot of liars in this world.
even like the Great Wall, it is usless except as a miracle. but who can remember those builders? i only know YingZheng.
we cannot be persuaded by each other.
only history can prove everything.

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不知道说些什么，你不喜欢什么？ -pyramid(金字塔); 2002-4-23 (#477550@0)

What is the ultimate purpose of the Three Gorges Dam project, if it is nothing else to demostrate the Mighty committment and determination of the Chinese people, then the job is right on track... -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-23 (#477556@0)

What is the ultimate purpose of the pornstars, they are their becaseu people need them. So people also need electricity. If Chinese did not built Sanxia, they will build coal or nuclear as well. -pyramid(金字塔); 2002-4-23 (#477565@0)

Need eletricity, so blow $1.5 TRillion, that's 150,000,000,000, mean while it only costs about 1200 a year to education 10 children, which there are millions that are denied of education due to "lack of funding" -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-23 (#477576@0)

You are right but this is a country, last time donate $100,000,000 to Afgannistan to rebuilt it. Well China also blow lot of money to education, that is not the reason not to build sanxia. -pyramid(金字塔); 2002-4-23 {81} (#477589@0)
Sanxia can earn extra money once the project start operation, it will be in 2003.

Since monies are being wasted anyway, why not build a dam with it, that's fine logic. Close to 2 million people are move out of their homes AGAINST their will, Plus the compensation structure is a complete scam... -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-23 (#477617@0)

現行的所得稅法可以讓納稅人將支付污染河流、危險工作甚至違規停車的罰款都報成損失而減稅。：「如果我因為往紅河傾倒多氯聯二苯（PBCs）而被罰款一百萬元，在課稅減免後，實際罰款額只剩下 50 萬元。」 -luj(鹭鸶); 2002-4-23 {1089} (#477815@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛【加通社渥太華電】聯邦政府計劃重新審閱所得稅法，堵塞一項所得稅制的漏洞。反對黨勞工事務發言人指出，現行的所得稅法可以讓納稅人將支付污染河流、危險工作甚至違規停車的罰款都報成損失而減稅。

　新民主黨勞工事務發言人馬丁昨日在國會上提出，聯邦所得稅法存在的漏洞，卻得到加拿大最高法院的支持。這不但會破壞司法公正，甚至會威脅到公共安全。馬丁批評說，加拿大最高法院 1999 年做出的裁決，意味著聯邦政府針對違反環境法、勞工或健保制度的公司所開出的罰款，可以獲得合法的課稅減免。

　最初聯邦稅務部是禁止這樣的申報，但是經過幾次上訴及裁決，這類罰款都變成可報減稅的開支。

　事情還得追溯到 1999 年末，當時加拿大最高法院做出裁決，命令國稅局必須向卑詩省一家公司歸還 12 萬 5 千元。這家公司因超定額生產雞蛋，而於 1998 年被處以 27 萬元罰款，但公司卻在申報所得稅時，將罰款額列入公司開支，合法獲得免稅。

　馬丁說：「如果我因為往紅河傾倒多氯聯二苯（PBCs）而被罰款一百萬元，在課稅減免後，實際罰款額只剩下 50 萬元。」馬丁繼續說，如果一家公司因僱用工人從事危險工作而被罰款，卻可以將罰款額列入公司開支，獲得合法的課稅減免。馬丁稱這種做法是不能容忍的，並強調說，允許商家這樣大幅度的減付政府罰款，是「不道德」的。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

New Honda -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-24 (#477912@0)

主席休要惊慌，打他贴第一个贴子就闻出牛宏大同志的味道来了。 -diao_david(Internship 在哪里？); 2002-4-24 (#477961@0)

Another reason to build Sanxia is because the children you just mentioned need electrical lamp to replace their kerosene light which might blind them if they work too hard. -pyramid(金字塔); 2002-4-23 (#477612@0)

Speaking of the children, they are being forced to move out of their hometown and send away in the middle of their early education process. I reckon the impact on their learning is nothing but negative, -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-23 {628} (#477659@0)
Getting the original inhabitants out of my way so I can build a nice, cozy dam on the gorges,

that is known as the rape of people's wishes, the entire history of the 20th century consist of fighting for the right to be left alone, to be free of harassement, the right to stay in my dinky little hole and not get booted out when the gov't sees it fit. Also, spare us with their "accommodation packages", which consists of nothing but pity.

The dam might be great, though it's an violation of basic respect and rights of the people affect, it's things like this that prevents our country, our people from greatness...

多伦多修地铁，建公路就无权拆你的HOUSE？？？！！！ -luj(鹭鸶); 2002-4-23 (#477804@0)

That is correct, the Exproprietion Act provides that the Development Board shall acquire my house at fair market value plus a premium to be determined by a mediator, given that I AM WILLING to sell -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-23 (#477812@0)

如果有人坚持不卖，给一百倍的市场价也不卖，那么地铁是否也要改设计，绕道多花几个亿？ -luj(鹭鸶); 2002-4-24 (#477836@0)

1) I am willing to sell at 120 Million, 2) stick with the Three Gorges project please -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-24 (#477916@0)

本主席大获全胜, 实在是高, 血压下降中... -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-23 (#477707@0)

人家睡觉去了。你一个人拳打脚踢的算哪门子胜利。 -rollor(Rollor); 2002-4-24 (#478111@0)

sorry to interrupt a minute: -buhello(happy your life); 2002-4-23 {343} (#477632@0)
you two are foucing on if building SanXia is necessary, right? in some sence, i believe that sending an "explorer to Mars" is also a kind of wasting money(at least it is, comparing with the fund of education).
sorry for interruptting! i am very insterested in your discussion, but i think it is important to concentrate on the main problem.

sending a man to Mars does not consist of kicking 2,000,000 people out of their home AGAINST THEIR WISHES. -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-23 (#477668@0)

i mention the '...Mars' is only for the topic of 'blowing' money, it is not about 'moving people'... -buhello(happy your life); 2002-4-24 {964} (#477911@0)
i think when we are talking about one topic, it isnot a good style to mix it with some other topics.
about 'moving people', i think what LUJ said above is quite right.
for if the SanXia is good or not, i only trust the experts who went to there by themselves and studied there for years. and i donot think it can be made clear by us.(at least i think my knowledge is not enough)
i think the news from newspapers, views from politicians and foreign companies are not believable.
like the water purifing system of Toronto, it is usful, but many immigrants died for that. and the beautiful gate is usless, it is just for showing the power of somebody.
politics and the target of only-for-making-money are ugly. that is why we have a lot of liars in this world.
even like the Great Wall, it is usless except as a miracle. but who can remember those builders? i only know YingZheng.
we cannot be persuaded by each other.
only history can prove everything.
BTW, i heard that chinese government were trying to help those people settle down well, not just "kicking them out" -buhello(happy your life); 2002-4-24 (#478076@0)

Per the New Chinese News Agency, settlement reaches $220 RMB per capita, you call that WELL COMPENSATED? -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-24 (#478085@0)

at least it is not 'kicking them out'. ... -buhello(happy your life); 2002-4-24 {1112} (#478114@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛i donot have the intention of advocating chinese government, but i think it is not that bad when facing the largest population in this world. return to this SanXia case, (almost) every 'moving people' has house to live, food to eat. ....though it is not 'WELL COMPENSATED',but it is better than the experience of early chinese immigrants who built the railway for Canada. of course, u may say i am talking about another thing, but think it carefully. we are not talking about how the governments performed. of course, corruption is a topic far from ours.
OK, what i mean now is that all of us donot have the first-hand documents. and i know people are always like a filter, that is, there are various news, but we would like to only remember those news which are holding the same view as ours. that is a 'danger' custom. we always have prejudgements when we are talking sth.
i think the argument can only be valuable when we are at SanXia together and facing the facts by ourselves.
thank u for reading this far.
personally, i like this kind of discuss, no abuse, it makes us treat things objectively.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

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i mention the '...Mars' is only for the topic of 'blowing' money, it is not about 'moving people'...

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