回与不回国的再比较 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手) @安省华人论坛:安省枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Ontario

工作学习 / 事业与工作 / 回与不回国的再比较 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 {1146} (#4191407@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛（1）在这里一般先是凭技术，苦干稳定下来，接下来就是发展你的社会关系网，干着半截，走了，值吗？回国，能保证原来的关系网还健在？心理，文化，心态的冲突，家庭关系的不定走向，决不会比这里少，毕竟，你在这里受到了很多潜移默化的影响，虽然你还不很明白这些，回国就体会了。

（2）讲工资：跳到最后，职位稳定，这里的工作你应该能稳定的干上10年以上，除非你自己要走，国内能这么稳定吗？

（2）讲生活质量：有了稳定的工作收入后，big detached house, two cars, investment, your own business。慢慢的都不成问题。国内的变数太大。

（3）讲福利：如果夫妇都混到好的单位，一年一家大小，配眼镜，做眼科全面检查两次，配康复鞋两双，洗牙平均4次，每周都可做针灸，按摩，算下来，每年2万左右加元的纯福利，国内哪家单位可提供？

（4）在这里，可以多生几个小孩，欧洲，北美，南美，太平洋，非洲，随意去，这种生活的惬意，和舒适，到哪里去找？

（5）这里空气清新，水洁净，社会总体而言很安全，很稳定，大人没有很复杂的人事关系，孩子上学负担小，快快乐乐。国内能提供这些吗？

踏踏实实的干吧。加拿大是一片沃土，就看你是不是把自己当成是一粒好种子。

Rolia的功能就是来宣泄，来玩的，在这里耗上好几个小时，指望得到什么很好的启迪，只能说你空虚，于事无补。

有人说我务虚，今天来点务实的。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

对于在国内做高端在这里做labour的人来说, 还是回去的好 -zhu_laoshan(朱老三); 2008-1-16 (#4191427@0)

没那么大差别言过了! -loveleehom(leehom); 2008-1-16 (#4193063@0)
You are right -gghh(gghh); 2008-1-23 (#4209386@0)

说得好，谢谢。 -zhweija(zhweija); 2008-1-16 (#4191474@0)
这个灌水贴内容陈旧，鉴定完毕！ -step_high(为八卦，保护视力); 2008-1-16 (#4191478@0)
you are just ordinary human being, being content with all the ordinary things. so, you will never be able to become an outstanding person who may achieve big. then just be that way. -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 {435} (#4191491@0)
but, many people have different visions on what they see them to be able to accomplish. That is why they may change the history of China in the very near future, not just a house, cars, etc. You will never be able to experience the same excitements when you finally reach a goal right from the scratch, and China, at this stage with numerous unsolved issues, is providing the opportunities for the great people with the great dreams.

Very well said! -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4191536@0)
Exactly, 没有那个气质还整天想能爬多高 -vetra(豆泡松果之多泡泡); 2008-1-16 (#4191543@0)
So you consider yourself one of the 'extraordinary, great' people who were born to this earth to accomplish 'extraordinary, great' dreams? Forgive us ordinary chicken littles who don't have the same great vision as yours, -omega4(omega); 2008-1-16 {71} (#4191792@0)
and are content with two cars, detached house, and two kids. Good luck.

你自视不高是你自己的事情。没什么不对。只可惜在任何文化里，都是崇拜不凡的人和不凡的建树。不知道你也是不是教育你的孩子说：混个平均就好(注意：不是“混个开心就好”，这有本质的区别）。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4191809@0)

I'd teach my kids to be honest, responsible human beings who care about others, and that I am proud of them as long as they do the best they can on everything, regardless of the results. -omega4(omega); 2008-1-16 {92} (#4192137@0)
I'd never set any unrealistic goals for them because doing so will not let them feel happy.

Good for you. Unfortunately, by just looking at your kids, you would never know what is "realistic" and what's not. I don't think Bill Gates' father knew he would become one of the most influential man on earth when he is 5 year s old. -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192168@0)

My kids potential will not be subdued as long as I encourage them to do the best on whatever they do. However, I also realize that 99.99999% of chance they will not grow up to be Bill Gates or anything like that. -omega4(omega); 2008-1-16 {152} (#4192260@0)
So yes, setting a goal to be like Bill Gates is unrealistic and the kids will not feel happy one day they realize that their goals are all out of reach.

hmm...where do you stop then? Steve Jobs? or janitor Kim? -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192353@0)

There's something called personal freedom remember. The kids are happier here because no one tries to put them in the same mould as they do in China -omega4(omega); 2008-1-16 (#4193091@0)

good one - but you still can accomplish 不凡的建树 in Canada, just you don't have confidence? -infoinfo(infoinfo); 2008-1-17 (#4195606@0)

沙漠里一样能长出庄稼（以色列人干的），只不过黑土地要省许多事。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-17 (#4195815@0)

people will never be happy because they never feel successful enough. I have to say most people are just ordinary people, 知足者常乐 is the key -sowen(sowen); 2008-1-16 (#4191905@0)
换个角度，如果人人都通过合法渠道买个房子，车，实际上也就改变了中国的历史。 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 (#4192028@0)

what nerves me about China is that I am not in this greatest part of Chinese history, I am totally being left out, that has been making me feel bad, not the material things like houses,cars,jobs etc. -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192065@0)

你们还年轻，还处在相信要“为祖国的崛起而读书”的阶段，可喜可贺。我从这里面已经得不到一点点快感了。 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 (#4192345@0)

you ARE Chinese, but you have missed that train, you feel so lost once you go back for a visit, because you will never be part of that excitement. that is something bothering me, -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 {78} (#4192379@0)
and I believe that is also something on every immi. mind when they visit China

Choosing a country to live in is pretty much like choosing a person to marry, when you are dating, you see all the excitements, shining spots of your BF or GF, but when you actually live together, it's the same ordinary day-to-day stuff., -omega4(omega); 2008-1-16 {129} (#4192430@0)
and you start to see the negatives. Looking at some place from a distance is nothing like actually living there, remember that .

Not true. You can choose whatever/wherever is best for you throughout your whole life. You can't do that when you get married. Very bad analogy, peasant thinking :-) -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192455@0)

不明白，很多人是结了婚甚至生了孩子以后才移民加拿大的。 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 (#4192480@0)

我是说换地方换活法是一辈子都要考虑的，换老婆老公不是。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192492@0)

我理解错了？You can't do that(choose whatever/wherever is best for you) when you get married. -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 (#4192508@0)

you can't choose WHOEVER is best for you after you get married - that's what I meant. Remember your oath: "for better for worse..." -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192540@0)

我从来没有这种感觉，相信我，如果我有我早回去了。 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 (#4192465@0)

that is why this subject is always hot one, they do not want to admit they have made a bad choice of moving here. -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192542@0)

en, 这也是可能性之一。也有可能是回流的人潜意识里不确定回流是不是正确的选择，来找更多的理由。 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 (#4192620@0)

the older people may just stay, because, they are not needed in China. for the youngs, go straight ahead back to our home and parents, friends. proud of being Chinese. -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192660@0)

那你们趁年轻回流建设祖国吧，等到老到中国不需要的时候，可以再办移民减轻祖国的负担。 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 (#4192729@0)

if you take part in the developments there, there is no reason that you will not be accepted there; just the older immigrants, they may have to stay here, since they made their choices of not contributing in China. -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192751@0)

Naive. China does not care how old you are or where you contributed, as long as you have money, you are treated as king, if you don't, you are treated as sxxt -omega4(omega); 2008-1-16 (#4192781@0)

You would be very naive if you think US/Canada are different. -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192813@0)

And you are naive to think US/China are different. If US gets cold, both China and Canada will get pneumonia. Just look at what the stock markets are doing all over the world now. -omega4(omega); 2008-1-16 (#4193085@0)

小姐，您到底想说什么？3句话3个话题。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-17 (#4194200@0)

I was confused first, what you mean by saying it's naive to think US/Canada is different? If you meant to say Canada is affected by the health of the US economy, I said China is affected by it even more. -omega4(omega); 2008-1-17 (#4194373@0)

我是说美加和中国一样是认钱不认人的！ -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-17 (#4194384@0)

do not switch subject! -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192818@0)

你转移话题，need和accept是两回事。你前面说中国不需要年纪大的，所以我说你也有“不被需要”的那一天。 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 {62} (#4192817@0)
其实，你想说啥我知道，你就想说，你这没人要的老东西，是吧？哈哈

after I work through my life in China, I will get what I need to support my retirement; and for you, you are older, you can not find a decent position in China anymore, so, you guys have to stay here. you are a man living in shadow. -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192835@0)

干了再说，啥也没成先得瑟啥丫？ -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192840@0)

ha ha, 得瑟 my dreams, 得瑟 being young with a bright future ahead in China! -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192847@0)

你的意思“我们移民在加拿大工作一辈子，到老的时候退休了两手空空，无钱养老。”你还挺能操心的。呵呵 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 (#4192850@0)

that was what you said, do not put your words in my mouth! -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4193004@0)
You are right, that's what she means. I believe she will do quite well in China because she knows how to look down some people and kiss up to some others -omega4(omega); 2008-1-16 (#4193009@0)

小人之心啊，都是什么人啊，心里如此阴暗。 -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4193017@0)

你表达的就是这个意思嘛，白底黑字。谁都能看出来的。 -baalinca(穷则安贫乐道富则得色); 2008-1-16 {230} (#4193068@0)
你说你在中国工作能攒够养老钱。按照上下文就是觉得我攒不够养老钱嘛。然后下一句你接着说原因，因为我老了在中国找不到好工作。这不就是“在加拿大工作一辈子攒不够养老钱，在中国工作（还得好工作）才能攒够”的意思？你不要欺负我不懂因个历史。

真见鬼了，一群祥林嫂！我看你们真的快魔症了。 -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4193094@0)

you will feel very lonely at least, believe me. -loveleehom(leehom); 2008-1-16 (#4193087@0)

Being young is good, but you will get old someday, the only thing I feel disturbed is that we are discussing the topic "If you should go back", why some people does not have the basic respect to others, -meirenxong(好花不常开); 2008-1-20 {509} (#4201169@0)
it is your choice to go back or not, other people has their own point of view and priorities, how can you be so rude, to conclude that the peopel don't go back is because they are old and they have no chioce. my husband got an offer with 2 million Yan (including everything) a year to go back to China, but he decided to stay here with family. And he is happy about his decision. It is not that everybody is like you, you need to learn how to respect others. Otherwies I can say you will never be successful.

well... girl, don't jump the gun yet.. i have been back..and honest, I felt pretty bad.. -fruitpunch(业余画家); 2008-1-25 {392} (#4215224@0)
despite the excitement... people are getting more and more selfish.. money animal.. so many people smoke.... oh.. my god.. the "train" I missed at least is pretty dirty..

however, if you indeed feel so badly about missing the train.. you can buy a ticket and go back in no time.. China will just have one more headcount and one more person fighting for job.. nothing else changed.

那就回去折腾折腾呗，在这里干叫是啥也整不成D，还落个郁闷。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192451@0)

I will, when the moment comes. :) -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192571@0)

then why are you left out? it is so easy to buy a ticket and go back.. .. have you heard about cultural revolution, what sarcastic is.. young people at that age all felt they are so lucky to be in -fruitpunch(业余画家); 2008-1-25 {228} (#4215213@0)
such a great era with such a great leader to make great changes to China.. now they are all 60, 70 and found out it is all just a big joke...

it always good to view things from a distance rather than getting too excited..

are you one of "they", that "may change the history of China in the very near future, not just a house, cars, etc.' ... ??? You are also an ordinary human being, right? even though you got yourself a ID: Gym girl - such a lame ID! -infoinfo(infoinfo); 2008-1-17 (#4195600@0)
nothing but simply the difference in age makes all the difference in idea -fruitpunch(业余画家); 2008-1-25 {483} (#4215196@0)
people in 20's or 30's might have this "changing the world/changing China" vision. when you get to your 40's, you will find that the world changes with or without you, your vision might be exactly the same as this "nicetomeetyou" guys--live peacefully and comfortably.

I had experience this transition myself, I had this "changing the world for better" ambitions in 20's, now family become priority when you find that there is actually nothing too much you can change:)

still 务虚 -win(秋天的菠菜); 2008-1-16 (#4191502@0)

还是务虚？恐怕落伍，我是一年跑一趟，以后会跑的更勤。要不，我再写个鼓励回国创业的？ -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 (#4191802@0)

牛哥在国内有没有“嫡系把兄弟”创业成功的？有没有和几亿资产的伙计们亲密接触过？有没有被邀请在5百万以上的豪宅住几个月？如果有，给讲讲吧。俺们已经对回国找高薪的已经不感兴趣了。 -baokao(宠辱不惊可使得); 2008-1-16 (#4191852@0)

小兄弟，还是那句话，经历不多，眼界不够开阔。跟我在北京的街上走走就知道了。我在那里大干的时候，就是。。。 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 {3} (#4192126@0)
哥.

牛哥，老实告诫您一句，只要觉得现在挺好挺开心，就是您内心的成功。但想要在成功后面加上个”人士“，那就是对外的，要用绝对指标来比较的，何况还是跨太平洋比较，老实讲，兄弟您这个硬指标水平，若加上人士的后缀，在伟大祖国的二线城市也是要被人笑的。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192160@0)
what a shame,sir: standing on the crowded street in Beijing, no one even cares to look at you, because you are no one other than an old man like any one on that street with very confusing face. -liz2002(Gym girl); 2008-1-16 (#4192294@0)
比起现在，俺喜欢您以前大干的那会儿。当个哥多舒坦呀，怎么撂挑子跑到加拿大来了，其中是否有曲折故事呀？是不是失恋了或被人骗了什么的。。。 -baokao(宠辱不惊可使得); 2008-1-16 (#4192349@0)

再呆在那里，监狱就是next destination, 你觉得我这是信口开河？我一哥们，机关大干部，根红苗壮，是个党重点培养的对象，手握财权，风光无限，洽谈政经，危锦正坐，最后怎么样？跟错了领导，被判贪污，琅档入狱。明枪暗箭，在国内追求成功，你纵使左右腾挪，最终难逃一劫 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 (#4192815@0)

要不要猜猜华为、中兴、巨人、大唐、TCL、腾讯、新浪、百度、携程、奇瑞、蒙牛、伊利、苏宁，国美，华谊，天娱，盛大，阿里巴巴。。。。的领导什么时候关进去？ -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192824@0)

他们若不在美国弄个分公司，将资产逐步转移，个人也飞过来，，， -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 {82} (#4192846@0)
现在他们是政商结合，利益同在，但这种平衡是暂时的。自己的笼子小了，麻烦就会跟过来。

你没发烧把，不要这么理屈词穷还要强辩，挺下作的。人家这些公司在海外的BRANCH有的都开了几十个了，人不能弱智到这种地步。。。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192859@0)

敲字的时候，还真没看你提的那些公司。。。我弱质 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 (#4193013@0)

华为要是在国外，头头早关进去了。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2008-1-16 (#4193434@0)

他的官司厅外和解了。 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 (#4193495@0)

不是那个官司，这种视法律如粪土的公司在法制社会里早玩完了。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2008-1-18 (#4196910@0)

牛哥真是性情中人呀。张口小兄弟叫得我呀一愣一愣地。n -baokao(宠辱不惊可使得); 2008-1-16 (#4193024@0)

很具有小男人气质 -vetra(豆泡松果之多泡泡); 2008-1-16 (#4191517@0)
除了自己的公司, 世界上真的还有什么公司值得你为他工作十年以上吗,如果确实看重自己的话? IBM的以为自己能代表IBM, microsoft的以为自己能代表microsoft, illusion而已. -u1a037(我便秘但你不能歧视我); 2008-1-16 (#4191530@0)
这话你五年前说有点道理, 仔细看看当今国内的发展, 您真是个井底之蛙. -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4191541@0)

LZ为了每周有针灸，马萨鸡，几付眼镜而活，加拿大是很好啊 -vetra(豆泡松果之多泡泡); 2008-1-16 (#4191547@0)
我觉得现在很多人把回不回国发展当成个路线斗争来看。其实主要还是农民思维: 挪到哪里俺就不动窝了。人家老外还整天乐不思蜀地往中国跑呢！欧洲人几百年就是这么跑来跑去的。求发展么，每个人情况天差地别，哪里好就去哪里呗，哪来这么多废话中国美国天天比来比去的？ -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4191553@0)

其实只是想找个理由来说明自己的选择是对的，仅此而已 -vetra(豆泡松果之多泡泡); 2008-1-16 (#4191559@0)

他自己高兴就是对的。就这么简单！干嘛非要把所有人都放在他那个一尺半高的眼界。。。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4191566@0)

我怎么好像头一次看到你说话啊，你今天穿的是什么MJ -vetra(豆泡松果之多泡泡); 2008-1-16 (#4191573@0)

就这个马甲，很久不来了。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4191597@0)

这个烂贴里就这几句话还有点到道理 -feiduoduo(胖精灵); 2008-1-16 (#4191798@0)
good points,知道自己有几斤重适合哪儿就好了 -wolves(酸梅汤); 2008-1-16 (#4191835@0)
光棍这样子还行.有家有口的难. 金窝银窝刚搭好又要搬. -jqka28(bimmer); 2008-1-16 (#4192088@0)

不过是在你的方程式上加上几个因子罢了，道理还是一样的。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192458@0)

我是觉得回去容易回来难...回国找一分好工很easy,隔着太平洋我都能拿到offer,在这找一分好工就不那么容易,自然就更珍惜了...回去了万一又想回来怎么办 -flyingsnow78(凌波微步); 2008-1-16 (#4191586@0)

任何回报都是有风险的。总不能期望一分钱都不付出就天上掉馅饼。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4191592@0)

这都可以上导读？？？ -step_high(为八卦，保护视力); 2008-1-16 (#4191701@0)

celebrity ....... look at any page of a major paper you can see "Britney Spears" ..... -win(秋天的菠菜); 2008-1-16 (#4191731@0)

呵呵，只是他说什么“Rolia的功能就是来宣泄，来玩的，在这里耗上好几个小时，指望得到什么很好的启迪，只能说你空虚，于事无补。”斑竹难道觉得这应该上导读？还有，牛G教育大家不要指望得到启迪，那他长篇大论写出来，是想显示他空虚呢？还是想测试大家的空虚度？ -step_high(为八卦，保护视力); 2008-1-16 (#4192521@0)

so, what's the problem of being 空虚 once in a while? it is ok, my humble 2$... -win(秋天的菠菜); 2008-1-16 (#4192704@0)

牛哥今天露出了不牛的狐狸尾巴，被板砖砸晕了！ -jeep_nj(heihei); 2008-1-16 (#4191750@0)
Agree. Thanks. -breakingnews(北京上海天下第一); 2008-1-16 (#4191813@0)
哈哈哈哈，一不小心没藏住，把那点儿小市民思想和短浅的眼光全暴露了，以后再想装回来可不大容易喽，哈哈哈哈，这是俺０８年以来看到的最好笑的笑话。 -furrow(满脸皱纹); 2008-1-16 (#4191913@0)
对一象pan handler的我来说,我很同意你的这个分析.好奇的问一句 -johndoe1(caveman); 2008-1-16 {64} (#4191914@0)
现实生活中的你也是象你在rolia post thread之后那样"众必非之"吗?

"众必非之"　这次用得不恰当．没看出牛哥有哪里＂行高于人＂的地方，唯一能看到的就是他与斑竹的关系不一般． -furrow(满脸皱纹); 2008-1-16 (#4191936@0)
现实生活中我可是大大的好人哪。 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 (#4192111@0)

没有象肉联的人这样砸你,是吧?你的遭遇让我想起武侠小说里的"掐"的情景,特别是为什么开掐? -johndoe1(caveman); 2008-1-16 (#4192831@0)

这里除了牛哥，估计没有谁能积累关系网啊，PFPF，配眼镜两年200，鞋最多1000，针灸按摩每年300，莫非剩下那$18500都用来洗牙了？ -lenovo2007(lenovo); 2008-1-16 (#4192002@0)

别忘了，四个人。 -copperbean(豆泡松果之铜豌豆); 2008-1-16 (#4192050@0)

"每周都可做针灸，按摩", 看贴勿匆忙。 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 (#4192105@0)

那像牛哥这种公司估计加拿大也没几家，就别用自己的特殊例子来误导别人了 -lenovo2007(lenovo); 2008-1-16 (#4192144@0)

my family do this too, every week! -infoinfo(infoinfo); 2008-1-17 (#4195611@0)

夫妻都在同一家公司的话只能算一半，2个人。除非你一天到晚没事干天天洗牙，否则每人1万甚至5千的福利绝对是没有的。而且眼镜、鞋和MASSAGE这种BENIFIT应该是不能包括家人的，当然了如果牛哥在RECEIPT上都写自己的名字估计也是没人知道的 -lenovo2007(lenovo); 2008-1-16 (#4192161@0)

Family Plan的话夫妻、儿女都有。至于包什么，就看公司买的Plan了。包眼镜、鞋和MASSAGE很正常啊。 -copperbean(豆泡松果之铜豌豆); 2008-1-16 (#4192181@0)
她作她的教授，我做我的“ERP Steering Commitee" -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 (#4192239@0)

既然你也觉得自己在加拿大华人中也算个特例的话，那么就别误导别人了。 -lenovo2007(lenovo); 2008-1-16 (#4192653@0)

也不算太误导。其实还有fitness补贴，计算机补贴，等等。牛哥的公司fitness如果能超过900刀，我就算他是狠牛。 -baokao(宠辱不惊可使得); 2008-1-16 (#4192715@0)

"而且眼镜、鞋和MASSAGE这种BENIFIT应该是不能包括家人的" -- do you REALLY have benefit??? -infoinfo(infoinfo); 2008-1-17 (#4195615@0)

两夫妻一年共六千针炙, 按摩, 物理治疗很正常, 足够每周都massage 的. -bw3(bw3); 2008-1-16 (#4193051@0)

This is correct! really don't get: why it is so hard for those people to understand all this? Instead of coming Rolia, they have to work with a good job first !!! -infoinfo(infoinfo); 2008-1-17 (#4195623@0)

厚道，真厚道。 -baokao(宠辱不惊可使得); 2008-1-18 (#4196922@0)

but it's true, isn't it? -infoinfo(infoinfo); 2008-1-18 (#4198509@0)

几条分析的较实在. 不唱高调, 工作的最终目的还是为了自己和家人有较高的生活水平. 在这里得到不难,在国内就难说了. -jqka28(bimmer); 2008-1-16 (#4192072@0)

等你和你家人“有了较高的生活水平". 我敢保证你就不这么想了。人心不足啊。。MARK MY WORDS. -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192084@0)

呵呵,如果3千尺大屋M5还不算较高生活水平,请问您的说是什么水平? 这里rolia有几个回去住自己的别墅, 开自己买的M5? 您给偶们开开眼. -jqka28(bimmer); 2008-1-16 (#4192317@0)

眼界不要只有1尺半高，3000尺不是什么大屋。M5 is just a car, a medium luxury at its best. -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192359@0)

呵呵, 这个有点象国内人的风格, 个个谈论的都是千万,上亿, 融资,上市. 什么都看不上,其实自己呢. 住鸽子笼罢了. -jqka28(bimmer); 2008-1-16 (#4192392@0)

老兄，不要以为没接触过，那个现实，那个圈子就不存在。而且可能让你很惊讶的是，这些在加拿大看起来是天方夜谈遥不可及的东西，其实在中国你我都是有可能做到的。花的力气，有可能只是加拿大的1/N. -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192405@0)

The point is 在中国有可能短时间至富, 但是大富已经很不容易. 即使这样,也要看你能否得到机遇. 再有,现在国内的竞争,特别是不正当的竞争是很残酷的. -jqka28(bimmer); 2008-1-16 (#4192420@0)

So you think Canada is better (to you and me) in that sense? -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192437@0)

这个要看老兄具体情况了. 单身, 结婚有孩子的情况大不一样. 如果心总是痒,不妨先回去走走, 感觉一番. -jqka28(bimmer); 2008-1-16 (#4192512@0)

说过了老婆孩子不过是方程式上多两个因子。我每年回国7，8次，不用再多感受一次。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192532@0)

那你对国内的环境如何看呢? 不谈风月场所. -jqka28(bimmer); 2008-1-16 (#4192541@0)

什么环境？政治？商业？生活？自然？文化？科研？教育？ -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192544@0)

发现一不错得BLOG,很值得读一读。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 {47} (#4192075@0)
http://blog.51.ca/u-103327/?p=8&cp=all#comments
http://blog.51.ca/u-103327/?p=8&cp=all#comments

经历不深的人，就会被迷惑，经历过的人， -nicetomeetyou(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-16 {80} (#4192203@0)
“什么东东？！以为我不知道？我在这里得到的，学到的更多，赶明儿回去我好好教你。”

心领了，我一般不跟收入比我低的"成功人士"请教， thanks but no thanks. -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-16 (#4192217@0)

牛哥didn't realize there are lots of 鸿葫hiding here :D -apple_tree(苹果树); 2008-1-16 (#4192079@0)
顶，这话实在。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2008-1-16 (#4192302@0)
回去要重新认识,重新开始.也就是说,从新为自己的人生做设计. -denny(DEN); 2008-1-16 (#4192438@0)
牛先生是知音。 -phdying(博士要跳楼); 2008-1-16 (#4192863@0)
I just do not understand this. What a group of materialized people. -registereduser(立牌坊); 2008-1-17 {1527} (#4193973@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Almost all people approach this debate from personal development. A few of them did think it from the viewpoint of family, which is much better. The major problem of us, people migrated from mainland China is we have single value, which is too narrow and tends to simplify anything. Don’t you guys appreciate the multiple values in one’s life?

To take chances in China without evaluate overall situation is just a shortcut, similar to those trying their luck in casino. Assuming or wishing oneself not be an ordinary guy is just a gamble. Obviously, the thread master here is much more rational than many critics, in my opinion.

We, Chinese people are very strange people in comparison to all other ethnics. We tend to take short-cut, we tend to forget and forgive, we do not have religion and we do not have integrated value while we trust ourselves is the best race in the world. We are single mined people who hate multiple values. We like uniformed party, uniformed culture, and uniformed nation and finally we choose being brainwashed. Not limited to such, we are indeed integrating to one of largest campaigns of misinformation in human history. Yes! We are the world, we are the future, we are the miserable single-minded earthlings. We will thus conquer the middle earth!

Sincerely wish you guys could win, while I will explore my fantasies in Silicon Value, Wall Street, North Pole, Africa, or even in my dream. I would prefer anywhere but China for which I have been through and the taste isn't very well.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

Well said. I think a lot of these problems are also rooted from the educational system in China which train people to try to be successful at any cost. And there is only definition of success -- to be rich and powerful. -omega4(omega); 2008-1-17 {295} (#4194027@0)
And once some people reach that goal, they become arrogant and look down to others which is very annoying. In the end, as long as we have a comfortable living, the excessive material things really doesn't mean that much. Your health (both physical and mental) and family are much more important

比来比去的人通常在患有儿时学校排名次造成的强迫后遗症。 -caa(ChinaEI); 2008-1-17 (#4194211@0)
Very well said. -canadaxianren(daydreamer); 2008-1-17 (#4196296@0)

恰恰相反，思维狭隘的是开栏的而不是密切注释着中国经历的天翻地覆变化的人。你可以不喜欢中国。。。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-17 {907} (#4194284@0)
你也可以不承认中国的新兴市场带来的机会比成熟市场更容易把握，你还可以不承认很多事业往高层次发展都是跟人打交道，你更可以不承认语言文化种族的认同是人与人交流的重要因素。人各有志，你喜欢加拿大惬意的生活（我也喜欢）没什么不对，但是你老公如果不是活在真空里，他作为一个男人，大体上是不大愿意在你和别人面前显露出他只不过是个庸人，他也没有什么事业上的渴望的一面。这不光是给别人看的，也是还给自己1/3生命每天8小时的流逝一个公道。你其实不了解人性，人生（尤其是男人）的快乐并不在结果，而是奋斗的过程和为那似有似无的终点的竭力战斗。如果加拿大或者你说的那些地方硅谷非洲（还有见周公！）是最能给你这个满足的地方，那我祝愿你好运。对于我个人，我的经历证明那个战场是中国。而且我切切实实地去作了，去失败了又爬起，再失败再爬起了。

PS 别忘了一两年后告诉我们你的战斗成果。希望你不是只在这里喊喊口号。

你的英文还不错。但作为一个过来人，我可以负责地告诉你，这也只是你在北美成功的硕大拼图的一个小小的块块。祝愿你成功祝愿你快乐。

中国是"战场",不断要"冲",要"失败了又爬起，再失败再爬起了"...多苦呀...我更喜欢朝九晚五,享受生活,一年两假,健康安怡 -flyingsnow78(凌波微步); 2008-1-17 (#4194444@0)

是的，只要在享受地，吭哧吭哧给旧雅阁DIY换机油的时候，邻居的新PORSCHE呼啸而过你还能继续享受的修行。。。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-17 (#4194570@0)

有分工会买不起新车?BYW,这里邻居开什么车可真没想国内那么留意 -flyingsnow78(凌波微步); 2008-1-17 (#4194665@0)

你当成个比喻听吧。我在讲人性的普遍弱点。所以想上来表决心作圣人的就免了。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-17 (#4194683@0)

Money can't buy love, but it can buy stress. Look at what you wrote here..... -syrinx(Syrinx); 2008-1-17 (#4194757@0)

这种人生哲学上的貌似睿智的格言警句之类的玩意儿，我就不跟你讨论了。没什么意义。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-17 (#4194784@0)

如果你不超过30岁，我觉得你的言论可以理解，否则我只能认为你是蜜蜂一类的了。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2008-1-17 (#4195658@0)

冲得多，冲得快，死得早。还是我们这样慢慢爬行的活的长。 -caa(ChinaEI); 2008-1-17 (#4194594@0)

excellent! -infoinfo(infoinfo); 2008-1-17 (#4195581@0)

you are welcome. -nicetomeetyow(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-17 (#4195619@0)

软饭王? -infoinfo(infoinfo); 2008-1-17 (#4195632@0)

牛哥心态狂好 -yummyy(水晶球); 2008-1-17 (#4195661@0)

吾纵横IT业界数十余载，已然超然入圣，此番境界，非汝等可知之也。 -nicetomeetyow(牛哥,来了就搭把手); 2008-1-17 (#4195693@0)

IT业本身大概也还没有数十载。 -wisdomspring(软饭王); 2008-1-17 (#4195811@0)
纵横IT业界“数十余载”看来也应该是和什么张静君、王志东、丁磊同时代的，现在居然流落到加拿大做一小兵了？可惜啊我们毕业晚，不然最起码也混到个中国IT界TOP100人物 -lenovo2007(lenovo); 2008-1-18 (#4198365@0)

不一样,一般呆在这的已经是没什么雄心壮志了. -fzjxk7456(JAMES); 2008-1-27 (#4218354@0)
这话说的，就算跟丁磊一年毕业的人10000个也打不住，都在top100的话，是不是该叫top n万啊？是个那年头的就能发财，您说的够简单的。 -vega_lee(天津包子-就不改); 2008-1-28 (#4221361@0)

hehe -rayliu(yiban); 2008-2-1 (#4226343@0)

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