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说的好。双重国籍很重要

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛与你的切身利益有关

先说一下两重意义上的双重国籍。第一,承认入籍前的国籍。此概念尽针对与移民。就华人而言,大陆人新加坡人与此无关,因他们已丢失了原国籍。香港台湾人与此有关。第二,继续承认加拿大公民的加籍,及便他又入了其他的国籍。谁会这么干?会入哪些国家?答案是去美国和法国居多。

这次引起问题的是第一种情况。加拿大主流并不反感第二种情况。于是,不合理的现象出现了。一旦法律通过,第一种没受什么影响,第二种人到成了受害者。为什么?一旦法律通过,不可能说第一种不合法,第二种合法。要说“叛国”,第二种可能更大。再说,第二种好管,管理的是自己的加籍。第一种没法管,因为那时其他国家的是。再就是有些国家的国籍是去不掉的,如叙利亚。第一种也不会成为受害者,因为“没法管”。

国际的局势是趋向承认双重国籍。如,印度开始承认双重国籍;澳大利亚以前只承认第一种,自2001起两种都承认。

为什么与你的切身利益有关?一,像印度一样,中国最终会承认双重国籍。现在不承认是怕外国势力借双重国籍干预内政。不承认双重国籍不符合中国的国家利益,但符合党的利益。终于会有一天,国家利益会大过党的利益的。那时,你或你的子女会是受益者的。二,你可能并不想要美国的国籍,但你的子女有可能会要。给你的子女多留一个机会,多留一个便利。

你要做点什么?在各种场合明确表达你反对取销双重国籍,因为没人可以从中获利。如果你积极的话,请约见你的当地国会议员。



No One Would Benefit from the Disallowing of Dual Citizenship

There are two different concepts of dual citizenship. First kind, immigrants keep their native or original citizenship. Second kind, Canadian citizens acquisition another country citizenship, for which the majority is of the countries like United States and France.

The current debate was triggered by government’s decision to evacuate upwards of 50,000 Canadians living in Lebanon when the Middle East erupted in war over the summer. Mane of these Lebanese Canadians belongs to first kind classified above. If dual citizenship disallowed, ironically the most likely victims would be second kind. It would be unlikely the possible new citizenship legislation would only disallow the first kind but second kind. It is the second kind that closer to the concept of betraying the Canadian value.

There is also a technical issue that for the first kind, it is the matter subject to foreign countries. In other words, disallowing of dual citizenship would not eliminate those things happened in Lebanon, given the possibility these Lebanese Canadians are Canadian citizens and Lebanon government allows these “foreigners” to live there.

It is an international trend to allow the dual citizenship. Recently, India allows dual citizenship. Australia did only allow the first kind of dual citizenship. Since 2001, they now allow both kinds. Disallowing dual citizenship in Canada would be regressive for sure. No one could benefit from it. We all see the problem that government spent money on the evacuation. If it is a money matter, then concentrate on the money issue. If it is about the value of Canada, then review the overall immigration policy. There is no obvious direct link between it and the dual citizenship.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下茶话 / 美国话题 / NVARS.COM预约,目前正在放号,12月5号的,还剩20个。
    • 7.55,号全被预定光。
    • 啥玩意嘛,不就申请个非移民签证吗,打个咨询电话不Toll Free也罢了,竟然要1.89 per min....
      • 你开始明白加拿大护照的价值了。
        • 我认为美国护照价值更高,并不像您说的那样不值钱:D
          • 美国护照当然价值高。没看张无常老了还被税务局通缉要钱,只能躲在深圳,有(美)国难回。加拿大的税是based on residency,比美国好得多。所以美国绿卡可以要,但护照最好不要。欢迎讨论。
            • 绿卡也是全球征税的。到时候不想交税,只能放弃绿卡,和放弃国籍差不多。所以最好是美国,加拿大两个国籍。需要的时候放弃美国国籍,拿着加拿大国籍照样到处跑。继续讨论。
              • 说的好。双重国籍很重要
                本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛与你的切身利益有关

                先说一下两重意义上的双重国籍。第一,承认入籍前的国籍。此概念尽针对与移民。就华人而言,大陆人新加坡人与此无关,因他们已丢失了原国籍。香港台湾人与此有关。第二,继续承认加拿大公民的加籍,及便他又入了其他的国籍。谁会这么干?会入哪些国家?答案是去美国和法国居多。

                这次引起问题的是第一种情况。加拿大主流并不反感第二种情况。于是,不合理的现象出现了。一旦法律通过,第一种没受什么影响,第二种人到成了受害者。为什么?一旦法律通过,不可能说第一种不合法,第二种合法。要说“叛国”,第二种可能更大。再说,第二种好管,管理的是自己的加籍。第一种没法管,因为那时其他国家的是。再就是有些国家的国籍是去不掉的,如叙利亚。第一种也不会成为受害者,因为“没法管”。

                国际的局势是趋向承认双重国籍。如,印度开始承认双重国籍;澳大利亚以前只承认第一种,自2001起两种都承认。

                为什么与你的切身利益有关?一,像印度一样,中国最终会承认双重国籍。现在不承认是怕外国势力借双重国籍干预内政。不承认双重国籍不符合中国的国家利益,但符合党的利益。终于会有一天,国家利益会大过党的利益的。那时,你或你的子女会是受益者的。二,你可能并不想要美国的国籍,但你的子女有可能会要。给你的子女多留一个机会,多留一个便利。

                你要做点什么?在各种场合明确表达你反对取销双重国籍,因为没人可以从中获利。如果你积极的话,请约见你的当地国会议员。



                No One Would Benefit from the Disallowing of Dual Citizenship

                There are two different concepts of dual citizenship. First kind, immigrants keep their native or original citizenship. Second kind, Canadian citizens acquisition another country citizenship, for which the majority is of the countries like United States and France.

                The current debate was triggered by government’s decision to evacuate upwards of 50,000 Canadians living in Lebanon when the Middle East erupted in war over the summer. Mane of these Lebanese Canadians belongs to first kind classified above. If dual citizenship disallowed, ironically the most likely victims would be second kind. It would be unlikely the possible new citizenship legislation would only disallow the first kind but second kind. It is the second kind that closer to the concept of betraying the Canadian value.

                There is also a technical issue that for the first kind, it is the matter subject to foreign countries. In other words, disallowing of dual citizenship would not eliminate those things happened in Lebanon, given the possibility these Lebanese Canadians are Canadian citizens and Lebanon government allows these “foreigners” to live there.

                It is an international trend to allow the dual citizenship. Recently, India allows dual citizenship. Australia did only allow the first kind of dual citizenship. Since 2001, they now allow both kinds. Disallowing dual citizenship in Canada would be regressive for sure. No one could benefit from it. We all see the problem that government spent money on the evacuation. If it is a money matter, then concentrate on the money issue. If it is about the value of Canada, then review the overall immigration policy. There is no obvious direct link between it and the dual citizenship.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
            • 谁告诉你加拿大的税是based on residency的:D
              • 有非税务居民
              • 这个不用别人告诉我,因为我就是半个professional. 美国绿卡也是全球收税,但放弃起来比国藉方便多了。
          • 美国护照最大的价值是回乡的时候。因为绝大多数中国人都不知道加拿大是个什么玩意。绝大多数中国人都崇美。包括毛泽东,死后的纪念堂都要造得和林肯的一个样。谁叫国父占了华盛顿的方尖碑了呢.
            • [绝大多数中国人都不知道加拿大是个什么玩意], hehe, you forget Dr. Norman Bathune, I am pretty sure this Canadian was more famous than 华盛顿 or 林肯 in China
              • 不错,绝大多数中国人都知道白求恩,绝大多数人都不知道乔治或者阿伯拉汉;但是绝大多数都不知道加拿大,绝大多数都知道美国。加拿大可能还没有坦桑尼亚有名。
                • "加拿大可能还没有坦桑尼亚有名。",  啊 you sure?
                • 绝大多数中国人都知道白求恩 you already knew that Dr. Norman Bathune is not a person without his citizen, this is good enough, how about other Chinese folks?
                  • 一家之言,不要当真。下次回国省亲做个民调就得了。我那乡下地方虽然靠近全国闻名的侨乡,1/3的常住人口是外籍,加拿大也并不有名,很多人都不知道。
                  • 想起有趣的事情,早年到极内地旅行。有个小孩问俺是哪里人,韩国人?日本人?台湾人?我问他,你怎么不觉得俺是香港人呢?
                    • 看不出来有趣在哪里。
                      • 在那里,美国是啥玩艺?