I think my point is about same as yours. When I say "国家是天衣无缝的", I mean if they want they can get whatever information they need on ordinary people. Of course the big question is "IF they want"

barbarian(懒人)

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I don't have examples in Canada to share. Here is one thing happened to one of my friends in the US.

He and his friend A lives in one city. There friend B come to visit them one they. 3 of them and their families went out to a lake nearby for one they. They chatted about lots of things including comments on what happened in the US and their opinions during the trip. B spend couples days there and went back to his city.

After couple of days, 2 FBI agent visited by friend. They were very polite and professional and told my friend they just need to verify some information from him. My friend said OK and let them in. The 2 agent started to ask questions on what my friend is doing. My friend was shocked by the preparation they did before hand. They knew all the details about my friends after he arrives in the US, e.g. his school, major, provious addresses etc. Then they asked about the information about his 2 friends what they are doing, how they know each other etc.

And then, my friend was even more shocked by the fact that they seems to know a lots of detail on what they chatted during the day trip they had to the lake. The whole 'interview' process lasted about 2 hours. My friend contacted his friends right after that and found out that they were visited by FBI agent at around the same time. Since they didn't know anything wrong, they were not worried. But still they were shocked and 'scared' on the fact that the FBI not only knew the detail information after they went to the US, which may not difficult for government, but also what they chat on the trip outside and with no stranger closeby for most of the time. This was happened not long after 9/11 and up to now they still cannot figure out how.

Good thing for them is that they haven't met any problem/issue since then. And they all got Green Card later.

He told me this not long after it happened to them and the conclusion we had was never underestimate what government can do. The only question is WHETHER they want to do it.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

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有大侠知道吗?多谢! -flyer99(flyer99); 2005-12-4 (#2643817@0)

请问：申请加拿大公民要加拿大报税记录吗？多谢！！！ -ustax(roliatax); 2005-12-4 (#2643870@0)

为什么没人回答这个问题？ -ustax(roliatax); 2005-12-8 (#2650809@0)

请问：申请一个国家的公民时可以对这个国家说谎吗?怎么说?在哪里可找到相关信息?多谢!!! -001isbetter(001-is-better); 2005-12-4 (#2643875@0)

别说申请公民了，就是每年报税的时候隐瞒在美国的收入好像也是一条罪吧？ -ice(蛰); 2005-12-4 (#2643914@0)

请问每位在中国的房子,车子,存款都报税吗? -flyer99(flyer99); 2005-12-4 (#2643947@0)

加拿大跟美国是有税务协定的。 -ustax(roliatax); 2005-12-4 (#2644020@0)

那是指避免重复报税 -flyer99(flyer99); 2005-12-4 (#2644030@0)

已经跟你说的很详细了。你后果自负吧! -ustax(roliatax); 2005-12-4 (#2644083@0)

在中国的房子,车子,存款都需要报税吗? 别说俺在中国没有房子,车子,存款. -001isbetter(001-is-better); 2005-12-4 (#2644093@0)
需要报税。隐瞒不报被发现/举报可以是很严重的罪行。如涉及税项在$5000以上可能被刑事检控。绝对影响在加拿大的身份乃至国籍。不是闹着玩的，不要以身试法。 -cadillac(Caddy); 2005-12-5 (#2644714@0)

以身试法有什么不对吗？ -ustax(roliatax); 2005-12-8 (#2650871@0)

以身试法当然不对，你就错在自以为是立法者，自己解释法律误导别人。 -cadillac(Caddy); 2005-12-8 (#2651401@0)

请问有谁确实知道? 或听说过实例? 还是谣传/人云亦云?? -flyer99(flyer99); 2005-12-4 (#2644120@0)

已经跟你说的很详细了。你以为别人在跟你开玩笑？ -ustax(roliatax); 2005-12-4 (#2644129@0)

还跟这些人罗嗦个啥，他们是不见棺材不落泪的，谁不服就上吧。抓不到算走运，抓到了算是给他们一个机会体验一下跟国家机器作对的下场。 -onlyi(onlyi); 2005-12-4 (#2644160@0)

如果没抓到，不光要独乐乐，还要上来给大家共享一下才好。 -realpangxie(匿名); 2005-12-4 (#2644166@0)

First of all, this is my personal opinion; it’s not based on actual experience. -icrecream2005(icrecream2005); 2005-12-5 {423} (#2644306@0)
Logistically speaking, I believe it’s not realistic for Canadian government to check on every applicant to see their tax status outside Canada. What if this person is not working in US but in other country instead? Is Canada government going to check with all the countries it has tax treaty with just to make sure you didn’t file tax return there? Possible, but not likely. You can decide if that’s a risk worth taking.

Agree with your analysis - possible but not likely. Thanks! -flyer99(flyer99); 2005-12-5 (#2644580@0)
一个关键性的问题,你没说到,因为在美国报税的时候,同时也要在加拿大报税,这样加拿大税务部门已经知道你在美国工作了.所以加拿大政府没必要到美国查你的税,看看CRA的资料就足够了. -cool_guy(cool guy); 2005-12-5 (#2644824@0)

Unless I am mistaken, I believe what flyer99 proposed is to (1) file US portion of the tax in US and (2) file Canada portion of the tax in Canada. -icrecream2005(icrecream2005); 2005-12-5 {205} (#2645663@0)
I am pretty sure he will be in trouble when they find out. But the question is, when he only claim Canada portion of the tax in Canada, there is not way for CRA to find out the other portion automatically.

但是查税很有可能碰上啊，这起步是太冒险？ -yasu(骷髅石); 2005-12-7 (#2649237@0)

我们是同路人，有空pm我。 -ccmail1918(lordofRing); 2005-12-18 (#2670032@0)

Heard one saying before "国家是天衣无缝的". I totally agree with it. I believe there are plenty of ways for the government to find out, the only thing is if it wants to... -barbarian(懒人); 2005-12-7 {2492} (#2649126@0)

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I heard some cases that someone got citizenship by only staying in Canada for very short period of time during 3 year period. I believe there are much more of these kind of sucessful cases. But, I also believe that most likely there are same number of cases that someone were got by this. It is unrealistic for the government to check everyone. The most cost efficient way is to draw a random sample for the applications to check. One example for this type of random check is that we all notice that some one got citizenship fairly quickly and smoothly, but some other ones, who look no difference from the first group, were asked for finger print or something.

So, the main question here is if you are willing to take the risk. If you are a risk taker, go for it and good luck. Just remember that other's successful story does not a guarantee that you would sucess. The probability of being caught may be low, but the stake on the line is very high. If you are risk averse, then do it in a proper way. And have good sleep every night and don't envy those who tried.

BTW, Here is one way I could think to find out if you are in Canada or not if government REALLY wants to - this is NOT what government may do, which I have no idea of:

From you application, I can get your personal information. Then I can access your Canadian tax return to get more information, e.g. your address in the last 3 years, your income, etc. Simple check to the addresses can find out if you really stay there during the last 3 years. (of course, your friend can cover that for you at their own risk). I can also access your bank records. If your income is too low (or 0 if you don't have work in Canada), you don't have big saving in banks and you have unrealistically low bank transactions, I would become more suspecious - how did you cover your daily living? Well, of course you could use all cash for that and had never put those cash in bank - but, even yourself would think this is a bit far reaching. A simple visit to your current Canada address will reveal where you actually are right now - say, in the US. From A quick check with immigration authorities there, I would know where you actually were during the last 3 years.

All these steps are based on one BIG assumption which is the government really wants to find out if you are in Canada or not. The reason I write it, though, is to show that it may not be that difficult for them to find out if they really want.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

First of all, I am not suggesting that we should disobey the law. But to think "国家是天衣无缝的" is a little too naive. -icrecream2005(icrecream2005); 2005-12-8 {1214} (#2650823@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛If 国家是天衣无缝的, then there won't be anyone working for cash, and there won't be unsolved crimes in Canada. Canadian government still doesn't know exactly what happened in the Air India bombing more than 20 years ago!

I do agree that from the information that you fill out on the application, the government can more or less single out the "suspicious" ones such as those don't have any job and didn't go to school for the last three years.

But to further investigate someone's background is not as easy as you described. For example, there are at least 6-8 big banks not to mention a large number of credit unions in Canada. How do they know where your account is kept without talking to all of these organizations? I requested for a non-criminal record from RCMP a few years ago. It took 5 months! This is just one organization. How long do you think it will take to check with all the financial institutions in Canada? Can it be done? Absolutely yes. Can it be done in a cost effective way? Probably not. Will they do it to you? I don't know. Ultimately you need to decide if you want to take that risk.

If you have any actual experience on what they check, please do share it with us.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

I think my point is about same as yours. When I say "国家是天衣无缝的", I mean if they want they can get whatever information they need on ordinary people. Of course the big question is "IF they want" -barbarian(懒人); 2005-12-8 {2053} (#2651087@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I don't have examples in Canada to share. Here is one thing happened to one of my friends in the US.

He and his friend A lives in one city. There friend B come to visit them one they. 3 of them and their families went out to a lake nearby for one they. They chatted about lots of things including comments on what happened in the US and their opinions during the trip. B spend couples days there and went back to his city.

After couple of days, 2 FBI agent visited by friend. They were very polite and professional and told my friend they just need to verify some information from him. My friend said OK and let them in. The 2 agent started to ask questions on what my friend is doing. My friend was shocked by the preparation they did before hand. They knew all the details about my friends after he arrives in the US, e.g. his school, major, provious addresses etc. Then they asked about the information about his 2 friends what they are doing, how they know each other etc.

And then, my friend was even more shocked by the fact that they seems to know a lots of detail on what they chatted during the day trip they had to the lake. The whole 'interview' process lasted about 2 hours. My friend contacted his friends right after that and found out that they were visited by FBI agent at around the same time. Since they didn't know anything wrong, they were not worried. But still they were shocked and 'scared' on the fact that the FBI not only knew the detail information after they went to the US, which may not difficult for government, but also what they chat on the trip outside and with no stranger closeby for most of the time. This was happened not long after 9/11 and up to now they still cannot figure out how.

Good thing for them is that they haven't met any problem/issue since then. And they all got Green Card later.

He told me this not long after it happened to them and the conclusion we had was never underestimate what government can do. The only question is WHETHER they want to do it.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

That is a scary story for sure. But... -icrecream2005(icrecream2005); 2005-12-9 {385} (#2652830@0)
(1) this is Canada not US, we don't have FBI (2) this is a citizenship application, not a national security issue. I doubt the government will spend the same amount of energy on this. For example, I know if government really wants to, they can follow me around and give me a ticket whenever I am jaywalking. But that doesn't mean I will go around and warn everyone not to jaywalk :)

www.csis-scrs.gc.ca -001isbetter(001-is-better); 2005-12-9 (#2653183@0)
Agree with your point in the risk is there and it is up to each one to decide if he/she wants to take it or not. BTW, RCMP is about the same as FBI. To certain extand they are both 'police at federal level'. -barbarian(懒人); 2005-12-9 (#2653929@0)

如果一个人只完成landing而没有生活在加拿大，甚至没有SIN。那他在美国的收入应该不必也无法向加拿大纳税。 -adong05(阿东); 2005-12-8 (#2650804@0)

@Ontario

I think my point is about same as yours. When I say "国家是天衣无缝的", I mean if they want they can get whatever information they need on ordinary people. Of course the big question is "IF they want"

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