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IROQUOIS FALLS的房地产,我们为何情有独珍?

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛IROQUOIS FALLS位于多伦多正北640公里。那里的房地产,我们为何情有独珍?

1。她是安省北部的核心城市之一。
2。铁路、机场、高速公路齐全。
3。靠近著名的旅游路线 “POLAR BEAR EXPRESS”。
4。当地政府支持。
5。价格极低。

您也许不信,俩万加币,就可能买下一个,独立HOUSE。
那儿,不单是好玩的地方,也是北美最大的纸浆基地之一。几年前,减产减员,房
地产大为受伤。几年来,与多伦多的房地产市场相反,已贬值30-40%。价格与价值
相比,真是微不足道(NOMINAL PRICE)。

我们买着它干啥?
第一,为我们的父母团体服务。由于共同的兴趣,我们的父母团体,已聚集了数以
百计的家庭,我们急于寻找 便宜的、较大的夏天活动场所。
第二,为将要到来的大规模的国内游客服务。
第三,有些在多伦多的家庭,也可自买。比方,一个家庭,男人要在多伦多工作,
妻子要学英语和带孩子,便可安家在IROQUOIS FALLS。花一点点钱,便可享受到地
道的欧式独立HOUSE, 这要比送回国内强多了。也比窝居于多伦多好多了。

我所讲的这些,网上都可查到 (WWW。MLS。CA),也可问问房地产的专家。另外,本
周日(APRIL 03 OF 2005),我们北部开发团体,将设宴款待,IROQUOIS FALLS市长
及 经济专员。

请打开这个LINK,最左边的那位,就是市长KEN了。他将亲自向您介绍IROQUOIS FALLS。

http://www.iroquoisfalls.com/main2.html

如有兴趣,欢迎参加我们的商务晚会。 您可亲自来听听,来自北方
的声音。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下家园 / 住房话题 / IROQUOIS FALLS的房地产,我们为何情有独珍?
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛IROQUOIS FALLS位于多伦多正北640公里。那里的房地产,我们为何情有独珍?

    1。她是安省北部的核心城市之一。
    2。铁路、机场、高速公路齐全。
    3。靠近著名的旅游路线 “POLAR BEAR EXPRESS”。
    4。当地政府支持。
    5。价格极低。

    您也许不信,俩万加币,就可能买下一个,独立HOUSE。
    那儿,不单是好玩的地方,也是北美最大的纸浆基地之一。几年前,减产减员,房
    地产大为受伤。几年来,与多伦多的房地产市场相反,已贬值30-40%。价格与价值
    相比,真是微不足道(NOMINAL PRICE)。

    我们买着它干啥?
    第一,为我们的父母团体服务。由于共同的兴趣,我们的父母团体,已聚集了数以
    百计的家庭,我们急于寻找 便宜的、较大的夏天活动场所。
    第二,为将要到来的大规模的国内游客服务。
    第三,有些在多伦多的家庭,也可自买。比方,一个家庭,男人要在多伦多工作,
    妻子要学英语和带孩子,便可安家在IROQUOIS FALLS。花一点点钱,便可享受到地
    道的欧式独立HOUSE, 这要比送回国内强多了。也比窝居于多伦多好多了。

    我所讲的这些,网上都可查到 (WWW。MLS。CA),也可问问房地产的专家。另外,本
    周日(APRIL 03 OF 2005),我们北部开发团体,将设宴款待,IROQUOIS FALLS市长
    及 经济专员。

    请打开这个LINK,最左边的那位,就是市长KEN了。他将亲自向您介绍IROQUOIS FALLS。

    http://www.iroquoisfalls.com/main2.html

    如有兴趣,欢迎参加我们的商务晚会。 您可亲自来听听,来自北方
    的声音。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • "俩万加币,就可能买下一个,独立HOUSE" , 不是说建筑成本就要20来万吗(2000尺独立),小地方建材应该更贵啊,弄不懂
      • If it's a new house, you are absolutely right. For resale, it could be devalued to nominal price, i.e, much lower than that of building. Please go to www.mls.ca
      • 太北了.一个兔子都不拉屎的地方.
        看了看map, 比north bay还要北老远. 偶尔去旅游一次, 感受一下土著生活尚可.

        住在那儿? 把父母安在那里? 吃饭都是问题.
        • "吃饭都是问题?" Please do not worry. The average incoming of the families there is higher than that in Toronto. Most of the residents are English or French descendent, not 土著.
        • 兔子不拉屎不影响人拉屎
          • Sorry, do not understand what you mean.
    • More details about your 商务晚会, thanks
      • I made the appoinment with the mayor and economic coordinator, but not yet booked the restaurant. It may be dependent how many peoples are interested at it. I will update the information here and our group website.
      • "商务晚会": time: 6:30pm Sunday (April 03 of 2005), Price: $35/person. If interested, please go to our group and register it before 10:00 am Thursday (March 31). Total attendees will be limited to 20 peoples.
    • Sorry, one mistake about the link of Mr. Mayor,Ken Graham. It is here.
    • "一个家庭,男人要在多伦多工作,妻子要学英语和带孩子,便可安家在IROQUOIS FALLS", man, if you travel 2-way 4 times per month = 5000km = $500 GAS, this is just for GAS, $%@^%$*&^(*^(*^)(???????
      • Of course, you cann't go home every day. How about 1-2 times per month? Carpool is so economic.
        • still, husband pay $500 for rent in Toronto+ $200 for GAS(home twice/month) + $300 Utility for Northern house = $1000......
          • Why husband pay $500 for rent in Toronto? That's too luxury for a general man with family responsibility. Please calculate the price of carpool again.
            • 两地分居的话,每周要COMMUTE这么长的路程,不说每天,一周两次,下班开车,时间这么长,疲劳驾驶很容易出事的,我要是那个做妻子的,在每个团聚的夜晚,先要这么担惊受怕,我受不了.
            • You still know what is family responsibility? What is a family? A family is about the man only see his wife twice a month?
              • You are absolutely right, i.e., man should always stay together with his family if possible. However, do you know how many families are seperated from China to Toronto? Do you know why?
                The reason is the money. It's the reality that not every man could suppot the life of his family in toronto. So many families are forced to be seperated. One half is in China and another half is in Toronto. They could not meet together by year. Can we try to find another solution?
                • Your solution makes absolutely no sense. The reason why they chose to live seperately is because the person in China can make money and support the other in Toronto, right?
                  Can you make a living in that small city and support the other part of family in Toronto?
                  • In some cases, you are right. People could make more money in China and support the life of his/her familiy in Toronto.
                    Now we are talking about that a man works in Toronto and support the life of his family in small town in Ontario.
                    • 你说的这种情况挺罕见的。偏远小镇中国人稀少,朋友少,中国菜也难买,劳工每次开大雪天跑长途,老婆孩子还要担惊受怕。实在不值得把家的另一半放在那里。
                      • Small town has its own advantage over the big city. In addition to incrdible price of housing, the environment is better and your family could enjoy safer life.
                        • 前提是一家人在一起,如果牺牲夫妻生活,再多升值潜力也不值。
                          • I just suggest a solution for those families who are suffering from the seperation due to economic pressure. Small town has better society. Their families will benefit it. They will have more 夫妻生活 too.
                            In most of cases, we buy a property in small town is to spend our vocation there. Our families are already together here.
                        • 我在一个小城里(St.Catharines)生活了三个月,那里的城市的设施实在是太差了,公共汽车每30分钟一趟,晚间的公共汽车才60分钟一趟,为此我吃了很多苦,
                          回到了多伦多后,还是感觉大城市好,生活设施完备,交通发达,除非生活走入绝境,我再也不到加拿大的小城市去了。所以,你说的那个纸城也不会好到哪里去,而且靠北,要比多伦多更冷,更凄凉,通勤上班时不现实的,每个星期通勤一次也是不现实的。。
                      • "这种情况挺罕见的"? Are you sure?
                    • Truely can't get your point why you are so 情有独珍?
                      1. No investing value. Buying a 20k house in a downsizing community will be end up with selling at 10k or less or can't even sell it.
                      2. No good for Kids' education. Not saying people in small town are all stupid but their incentive to learn.
                      3. Not convenient to live. Many people said about this and you agree right?
                      4. Not good for vacation. Will you drive this far for just a weekend? You may say well I will go there for a whole week vacation. But how many of this long vacation do you have in a year?
                      5. If you really want to enjoy natural life style in the country, cottage is much better.
                      • my response point by point
                        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛P1. "No investing value. Buying a 20k house in a downsizing community will be end up with selling at 10k or less or can't even sell it."

                        Do not agree.
                        The community downsized due to the downscale of the factory. however, the town is a good spot for tourism. It's so close to the station of the train "Polar Bear Express". Canada is open to Chinese tourists now. Visiting James Bay by "Polar Bear Express" will be attractive. The price of housing may not stay so low forever.


                        P2. "No good for Kids' education. Not saying people in small town are all stupid but their incentive to learn."

                        Do not agree.
                        It's better place for kid's education in terms of price/quality. Let's have example. The price to send a child to horse-riding school will stop most of families in Toronto, but not in a small town. In addition, the small town has very good facility for sports. not mention the advantage of being away from crime and drugs.


                        P3. "Not convenient to live. Many people said about this and you agree right?"

                        Do agree.

                        I trade the space with the distance.

                        P4. "Not good for vacation. Will you drive this far for just a weekend? You may say well I will go there for a whole week vacation. But how many of this long vacation do you have in a year?"

                        That's a very important point. We will stay there for 2-3 weeks a year for vocation to let our children have the chance for some interesting activites, such as horse-riding training.

                        P5. "If you really want to enjoy natural life style in the country, cottage is much better. "

                        The price of the cottage around GTA is same as that of house in GTA. That's why I'm looking for something away from GTA.

                        Hope my points are clearer now.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
                        • 你还真执着.
                          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛首先, 搞清楚你到底想干嘛, 买房是自住, 是投资, 还是娱乐? 不要把它们搞在一起, 否则就是漫无边际的想象.

                          The community downsized due to the downscale of the factory. however, the town is a good spot for tourism. It's so close to the station of the train "Polar Bear Express". Canada is open to Chinese tourists now. Visiting James Bay by "Polar Bear Express" will be attractive. The price of housing may stay so low forever.
                          这是赌博, 你在赌 1.经济会好转, 2.中国旅游团马上就杀过来了, 3.中国旅游团都很有钱, 3.中国人来了就好了. 希望全寄托在别人身上.

                          It's better place for kid's education in terms of price/quality. Let's have example. The price to send a child to horse-riding school will stop most of families in Toronto, but not in a small town. In addition, the small town has very good facility for sports. not mention the advantage of being away from crime and drugs.
                          孩子的教育就是骑马上山?

                          That's a very important point. We will stay there for 2-3 weeks a year for vocation to let our children have the chance for some interesting activites, such as horse-riding training.
                          就是说你别的地方都不去了? 就爱骑马上山?

                          不过我是非常非常支持你的, 毕竟, 多伦多的人太多了....更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
                          • "不过我是非常非常支持你的, 毕竟, 多伦多的人太多了....", Thank you so much for your support .
                            本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Please let me quote your words. It's to make our conversation more convenient.

                            1."首先, 搞清楚你到底想干嘛, 买房是自住, 是投资, 还是娱乐? 不要把它们搞在一起, 否则就是漫无边际的想象."

                            I'm motivating a group of peoples to work together. I do not want to do anything alone there.
                            Different peoples may have different purposes. "自住, 投资, 娱乐". All will be fine.

                            2."这是赌博, 你在赌 1.经济会好转, 2.中国旅游团马上就杀过来了, 3.中国旅游团都很有钱, 3.中国人来了就好了. 希望全寄托在别人身上."

                            In contrast to "经济会好转", I do worry about our economy may be hurt when the housing market in GTA is crashed. We pay so high price now. It's quite dangerous. When the market collapsed, the consequence will be much worse than that happened in "DOT COM" companies. If we have big debt due to buying a house in GTA, we will not be able to stand up when there is an economic crysis. Many peoples have forgot it, but it may happen one day.

                            If we pay a small price for a house, we do not have the heavy burden. In case we lose our jobs, not only we will not be bankrupcy, but also have some place to live.

                            3."孩子的教育就是骑马上山? ".

                            Our children have normal education in Toronto. "骑马上山" is to enhance their physical capability.

                            4. "就是说你别的地方都不去了?"

                            I'm already tired of visiting those big cities and need a place to relax. I believe many of us share the same feeling.

                            Today I'm absent from working due to some personal reason, I'm happy to make use of this piece of time to have a dialogue with you.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
                            • I'm happy to have a dialogue with you too.
                              because I am so bored this afternoon. Just don't want to work any more....

                              " I'm motivating a group of peoples to work together. I do not want to do anything alone there.Different peoples may have different purposes. "自住, 投资, 娱乐". All will be fine."

                              a group of people, especially a group of Chinese people are very difficult to do things together, especially when they have different goals. Good luck, man.

                              "经济会好转", I mean the economy in those small towns. On the other hand, if the economy (or housing) in Toronto is crushed, do you think those small towns will take off? Also you are really optimistic for Chinese tourists.

                              Children living in Toronto can also "骑马上山" and enhance their physical capability by a lot of other activities. You do know this, don't you?

                              I am not saying what you are doing is wrong. That's your dream and I admire you. I do hope things will work out for you.
                              • Happy to get your response again
                                本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. "a group of people, especially a group of Chinese people are very difficult to do things together, especially when they have different goals. Good luck, man."

                                Thank you for the good wish.
                                It's not the first time I heard that " group of Chinese people are very difficult to do things together". I do know that we Chinese do have some shortage of personality including myself. I'm looking for those peoples who do wish and do be able to work together.

                                2. "if the economy (or housing) in Toronto is crushed, do you think those small towns will take off? ".
                                Absolutely not. However, the house market in those small town is already incredible low. There is no space to be crushed any more.
                                Right now, many of us do have some spare money. In stead of putting more and more money to the "crazy" market in Toronto (like Notel's share at $120), we pay a small amount of money to have a property in a small town. If the economic continues to do well, that's perfect. we can continue to enjoy our good life here and use the property in small town to spend our relaxing time. In case of economic crisis, this piece of property may give us a peaceful island.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
                                • sounds interesting
                                  你好象有避重就轻的习惯. :)

                                  Anyway, I was emphasizing "People will do nothing if they have different goals and objectives" Is this a concern to you?

                                  I am still a little suspicious about 2万买一洋房. what kind of 洋房 will that be?
                                  • "I am still a little suspicious about 2万买一洋房. what kind of 洋房 will that be?" Here is the example.
                                    Look at this. A house with 4 UNITS (2-2 BEDROOMS AND 2-1 BEDROOM UNITS). Priced at $23,400 (MLS®: 50499 ). I just can not believe it either.

                                    The house interested me most is
                                    MLS®: 50387 $23,800
                                    House Size: 924 sqft
                                    Lot Size: 80 ACRES

                                    It's not only a house. It's a farm. So much space! What you could buy is only a garage in Toronto with that kind of price.
                                    • I must tell you IT IS a garage to me.
                                      And it's a garage in the middle of nowhere. :)

                                      80 Acres? Big space means nothing. Some times $5000, or even $1000 can buy a huge piece of land in canada. But for what? You got to do something to the land man. And how much money you think it will cost you? Don't tell me you can just use an ax to cut down trees and build a house there.
                                      • "80 Acres?...nothing, ... $5000, or even $1000 can buy a huge piece of land in canada." Could you please tell me where we could buy a farm bigger than 80 Acres with "$5000, or even $1000 " in Canada?
                                        I will be more than happy to know it, but please do not tell me that's a vacant land.
                                        • You missed my point again.
                                          I don't care it's a farm or vacant land, 5k or 500k, I just want to know what are you going to do with that land? You cannot just stand there and laughing and talking to yourself : "wow, look at this huge land (farm)....I only paid 20k to get it"

                                          Even it's a farm, it doesn't mean that those things will grow by themself and you just need a knife to cut them off.
                                          • "I don't care it's a farm or vacant land". Please think about the difference, otherwise I do not know how to continue our dialogue.
                                            • ok, me bad. Farms have cattles, chickens running around, corns and potatos growing in the field, fresh milk, vegetable, fish pond, and can 骑马上山.
                                              while vacant land doesn't have.

                                              Hope this is right. I would like to know more if you are willing to tell me more. :)
                                              • Hope to see you in our group activities.
                                • "the house market in those small town is already incredible low. There is no space to be crushed any more. " -- Price won't drop below 0, but chance is you may never be able to sell your house.
                                  • I agree with that. The risk is always there no matter what kind of investment.
                        • I am getting more confused now.
                          You said "Now we are talking about that a man works in Toronto and support the life of his family in small town in Ontario. ", later you said, "Our children have normal education in Toronto", what do you really suggest???? My point is this city doesn't fit for those people working in Toronto and try to support his family in this small town.
                          • "WE", that's a group of peoples including me. We are professional in Toronto. Our families and our children, all of us, we are living in Toronto and enjoy good life here too. Now, is it clear?
                            • So you are just trying to introduce your group here, not trying to provide a solution to those family seperated between China and here, aren't you?
                              your posts is really misleading.
              • 支持聪明猫
      • 那地方只能住半年吧,冬天是不是大学封路不能去啊.
        • SORRY,是大雪封路.
        • Thousands peoples are living there year around.
          • 那是本地人,他们住在那里多少年了,已经习惯了那里的生活,我们和他们不一样。。如果在那里先找到了工作,倒是可以考虑。
      • 便宜没好货. 买得起COTTAGE的不会去那么远, 买不起COTTAGE的也没必要硬努, 还不如现玩现租,年年还能换地方.
        • "便宜没好货"? not always. The price of real estate is just like that of stocks. Should we buy the share of Notel at $120/share or $0.9/share?
    • 我想去,主要是了解生活费用,学校,工作等信息。我希望2万买个house,自己种点儿菜,打个零工对方日常开销。嗯,不知道梦想能不能成真。
      • Come please, with your participation "our song-star". We are much stronger. I'm making use of Ester Monday to talk with you, but I have to leave now. I will discuss with you guys in the evening when I come home.
        • 厚厚,刚去group看了一下,发现是4月3日,跟歌剧冲突,歌剧很早就定了。
          • 我们来日方长,下次再见吧!
      • 那应该选择一农场,建一暖棚,在农村好象有2分地,就可解决一家吃菜问题,要是在国内北方,早年有储存大白菜过一冬的习惯。
        • "那应该选择一农场". I absolutely agree with you. "农场", I just love it.
    • you can't find a family doctor there
      • Why? thousands peoples are there. A hospital with 40 beds in the town too.
    • 不适合我们技术移民,仅仅适合于有钱的人。。
      • I'm 技术移民 too.
        • 我拿时间(距离)换空间(面积)。每年住上2-3周。夏天,我们的孩子,骑着竣马,奔 驰在青山、田野之间;冬天,他们驾驭着雪上摩托快艇,自由来往于千里雪原。看 似贵族的生活,其实,离我们这些平民百姓,并不遥远。
          • 商务晚会: when, & where? please post! thanks
            • The dinner meeting will begin at 6:30pm (April 03-05) on Sunday. I'm still counting the number of peoples who are interested to decide the place.
              I made the appoinment with the mayor and economic coordinator, but not yet booked the restaurant. I will appreciate it very much if you could please help me to find out an approproiate place (good restaurant).
              • depends on your budget, i can have the owner to prepare a special menu to tailor your needs.
                • We may have 20 peoples. The budget for food itself should be around 20$/person. The room should be quiet.
                  • see email at your yahoo club, and confirm with my office staff. thanks
    • 虽然我们不会到这个小城, 但我们还不至于傻到在舵轮多买房: 大大泡泡房价, 几个月后高利率.
      • Suppose you already have enough money to improve the quality of your life by buying a house or cottage, should you continue to wait or look for something now? How long are going to wait?
        • !!!!!!!